Posted by ovyyus (203.26.14.3) on May 29, 2003 at 18:35:56:
In Reply to: Re: "Unnaturally lifting weights" - For Darren posted by Terry on May 29, 2003 at 16:54:02:
Hi Terry,
IMO, Bessler was not speaking about the load lifted by his wheel, but rather the basic premise of using a small weight to lift a large weight.
I think you might be putting words in his mouth, so to speak, when you assume he was describing his wheel lifting its load. Water wheels could lift weight in a similar manner to Bessler's wheel, yet figuring out how they work does not help us find a perpetual motion.
IMO, Bessler is stating that he found a method of lifting weight that is unique. Somehow he is able to lift a large weight with a small one without the usual disadvantages of leverage, force and distance.
There might be a way to do as Bessler describes by lifting an 'active' mass. A spinning or rotating mass (spinning top) can be lifted with little force if done with a particular motion. Eric Laithwaite illustrated this lifting method to great effect by lifting a very heavy spinning disk above his head with just two fingers!
Regards, ovyyus
: Hi Nick.
: Um... I hope you don't mind but you suprise me a little bit. You appear to have reasonable knowledge and understanding of physics, but then write what you wrote. It is appearant to me that Bessler was not saying that he could move one weight a greater distance than another. Rather he was agreeing that you couldn't. He was saying that his wheel could lift a weight to a higher height than the height of his "wheel", as was evidenced by his lifting of the 70 pound weight. This weight was lifted higher than the "weight", if that's really what they were, of his machine. No diffreent than what any present day motor can do, but would be something unique in his day, and unique in both time frames if it indeed was self driven by...ah...momentuum.
: ie:
: : " A great craftsman would be that man who can "lightly"
: by his wheel
: >cause a heavy weight to fly upwards!
: the weights lifted, and shown
: >Who can make a pound-weight rise
: same as above
: >as 4 ounces fall,
: in his wheel, however it was done
: just takes a little criticle thinking.
:
: He also says it takes one rotation for his wheel to become perpetual. Seems to reek of momentuum too me.
: By the way, I've noticed a lot of quotes that can not be found on the net. Where can they be read? And to John Collins, will you be posting up details on your mechanism on your web site?