Re: Question for John Collins RE: NDAs


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Posted by John Collins (194.164.38.115) on June 03, 2003 at 03:10:22:

In Reply to: Re: Question for John Collins posted by Darren on June 02, 2003 at 15:47:07:

That's very kind of you Darren and I appreciate the gesture of offering to share your idea with me. I understand your fears about sharing - I've been there too. There is also a problem in signing NDAs for me. Suppose I sign an NDA and you show me what you've been working on. It might happen that what you are working on is the same as my own work. Where would that leave me? You wouldn't believe that I had come up with the same idea (and I wouldn't blame you for that)and I could not reveal that I had the same idea (nor prove it) because of the NDA I signed with you.

So unfortunately I shall have decline your very decent offer to share your idea with me and we shall have to continue to work alone! Crazy isn't it?

As for being a skeptic, I hope I'm not. I try to approach every possible design in an open-minded way but having the advantage of a long experience helps me to see where faults may be that are invisible to the designer. When we work as closely to the problem as we all do, it is often difficult to see what is plainly obvious to others.

As for going public with a design entrusted to me, I can assure you that my word is my bond. If requested to keep silent then I would keep silent.

Again thank you for the offer Darren and no hard feeling for rejecting I hope?

JC

: : If you had access to my mail folder of emails received since 1997, you would find that I had filed 127 emails claiming to have "got it" - and I mean "got it" with the same certainty that Darren has. I'm not saying that he is wrong, it's just that you get to be a bit sceptical after so many claimants. That is why I always recommend making a working model before issuing such claims. I too have been just as guilty as the others in making such claims. So far there has not been a single case that has even slightly convinced me that they are on the right track. But each is different and ingenious in their way.

:
: John,

: No beating around the bush... I'm just about to bust... would you be willing to work with me on my current design?

: After all the work you've put into your Bessler research I can't imagine anyone more deserving or more knowledgable to be involved with a true solution to OU... and a possible solution to Bessler's wheel.

: You definitely sound intelligent enough to understand the theory behind it's workings, the OverUnity Principle, and I'm sure you might even be able to offer suggestions for improving the mechanics. I'm just struggling a little working all alone on this and I think that I'm going to have to ultimately trust someone sooner or later.

: I would request that an NDA be signed... that we document the structure of our collaborative relationship (*not* the technical details of the device or design) on this board so that others are aware of this relationship and know we are working together.

: It would mean that after years of searching you'd finally see an unbalanced wheel... but would be unable to spill any detail to a single soul...

: It might be tempting to develop it yourself and sell it out from under me...

: And after putting in so much research over the years it might be frustrating to not be the one to discover the answer...

: What are your feelings? What do you think about this idea? I don't mean to imply anything about your character here, but other than your polite, intelligent, and very helpful posts to this list I really don't know you at all so... give it some *serious* thought... maybe you don't have the time with your book and other things... maybe you've become overly skeptical... maybe you'd be too tempted to go public if it turned out to be real... maybe you think it should be immediately released to the world for free...

: Be honest with yourself and me and everyone on this list... as though you are about to see the actual insides of a real Bessler wheel and then you'll have to keep it secret... I'm dead serious about this... this is *not* just claim #128.

: Thanks :-)
: Darren




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