The creation/destruction of energy


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Posted by Davis Landstrom (195.93.49.14) on September 29, 2002 at 12:45:44:

Energy can not be created or destroyed, even the existance of a perpetual motion machine like that of Bessler would not change this. RW, you cite as evidence of the creation and destruction of energy the idea that the earth is warmer today than it was 100 years ago. A physicist would tell you that this was not the consequence of the creation of energy but as a consequence of a local entropy increase, the energetic conditions here on earth fluctuate as a consequence of entropic decrease and increase, this occures because of two reasons, there exists large amounts of radioactive and fissile materials (Uranium-Thorium) in the earth's outer core, radioactive decay and fission release potential energy. Also the sun radiates energy onto us as a consequence of the release of potential energy from the fussion hydrogen atoms and as it happens, within the last 100 years the amount of greenhouse gas (CO2) has increased in our atmosphere (It is thought to be partly natural and partly a consequence of man). As a result some of the energy that the earth produces and some of the energy that it recieves from the sun is trapped and reradiated to the surface of the earth causing it to increase in temperature. The sun and the earth are both like giant thermal batteries, they were both formed with some potential energy (It can all be traced back to the Big bang, the only event in history where energy was created-there were no laws of thermodynamics to prevent it) and that potential energy is draining, eventually the earth and the sun will both run out of potential energy, it will have all become thermal energy and been radiated out into space hastening the entropic heat death of the universe.
When a person is born there is no creation of energy, the energy for their growth and development is supplied to the featus in the form of chemical energy from what the mother alocates to the featus in the way of nutrition. Again when a person dies there is no destruction of energy-just an increase in entropy!
The laws of thermodynamics are not questioned because every situation where they might not hold true has been tested to exhaustion-the result being that they do hold true, they are more than laws, they are axioms, absolute statements of truth. To disproove them and make the case for the creation/destruction of energy you would have to site a rigorous math proof and several experiments demonstrating that any 'created' or 'destroyed' energy can not be accounted for another way.
I do not believe that the existance of a perpetual motion machine violates these laws, take besslers wheel for instance, if genuine, it would have run on gravity, even today we know little about gravity, there is evidence from quantum gravity however that it might be caused by a 'radiant pressure' from the highly energetic electro magnetic zero point field. So Bessler's wheel is tapping (albeit rather inefficiantly) into the zero point field. It is thought by many scientists that there will be ways to tap more directly and efficiently into the Zero point field. See what I am getting at... If your machine is a genuine overunity then it is more than likely tapping into an alternative energy source. No violations of thermodynamics are needed for perpetual motion, in theory....


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