Re: Clarification request for John Collins


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Posted by Øystein Rustad (148.122.43.121) on October 27, 2002 at 01:54:15:

In Reply to: Re: Clarification request for John Collins posted by John Collins on October 27, 2002 at 01:07:47:

Thanx John !

I know this was nor directed to me, but I guess this forum is for everybody to read :-)
So I thank you for this translation...

It really helped me anyway !

It differs actually very much from another translation I have read. The diff. is major because your friends translation states that :
"NO !!!!, these weights are themselves the PM device "
and :
" is NOT !!!!!! just an external appendage,
an added-on device which is there in order to cause, through application of its weight,
the continuation of the motion (the revolution) so long as the cards or chains,
from which it depends, permit
(puhhh..Long explenation of something that is NOT used.... clever, if one wants to confuse :-)

The other translation I have read states that these parts recieve push from another (this extra) weight...
And that this weight is "the external appendage" so to speak...
Your explenation on the other hand say there is a big NOT in front....
I hope your friends explenation is the correct one, it makes more sense !!!

Thanx again
Øystein Rustad

PS ! I would very muck like to read the 1890 translation, if you don`t mind...

Pre-thanx


: Hi Grim,

: In order to answer your question I am attaching two translations, both of which are valid. The first was done about 1925 by Lieut. Comm. R.T.Gould who wrote "Oddities", The second one was done a couple of years ago by my translator friend. I can also offer a third one done in 1890 if you wish.

: The translation I first used quoted thus, "The internal structure of the machine is of a nature according to the laws of mechanical perpetual motion, so arranged that certain disposed weights, once in rotation, gain force from their own swinging, and must continue this movement as long as their structure does not lose its position and arrangement.

: "Unlike all other automata, such as clocks or springs, or other hanging weights which require winding up, or whose duration depends on the chain which attaches them, these weights on the contrary, are the essential parts, and constitute the perpetual motion itself; since from them is received the universal movement which they must exercise so long as they remain out of the centre of gravity; and when they come to be placed together and so arranged one against another that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the punctum quietus which they unceasingly seek in their wonderfully speedy flight, one or the other of them must apply its weight at right angles to the axis, which inturn must also move."

: The most recent one follows -

: "The internal structure of the wheel is designed in such a way that weights applied in accordance with the laws of Perpetual Motion, work, once a small impressed force has caused the commencement of movement, to perpetuate the said movement and cause the rotation to continue indefinitely  that is, as long as the device retains its structural integrity  without the necessity of external assistance for its continuation  such as the mechanisms which are to be found in other automatics  e.g. clockwork, springs or weights that require rewinding. For this concept, my principle of excess weight, is NOT just an external appendage, an added-on device which is there in order to cause, through application of its weight, the continuation of the motion (the revolution) so long as the cards or chains, from which it depends, permit. NO, these weights are themselves the PM device, the essential constituent parts which must of necessity continue to exercise their motive force (derived from the PM principle) indefinitely  so long as they keep away from the centre of gravity. To this end they are enclosed in a structure or framework, and co-ordinated in such a way that not only are they prevented from attaining their desired equilibrium or point of rest, but they must for ever seek it, thereby developing an impressive velocity which is proportional to their mass and to the dimensions of their housing."

: So you can see there is a considerable a "flimsy" wheel, even if oak was employed, the six-inch thick 6 ft. long axle with an iron rod centered in it and 8 approx. four pound weights would have a hard time adding up to any of the approximate

: : wheel physical weights. The construction could not have been that heavily done if he could break it up with an axe. There's apparently a lot of weight not accounted for.


: : Thanks for any light you can shed on this. Like Gill, I believe the semantics is important in this endeavor.


: :

: : Regards


: :

: : grim




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