Bessler's Device Possibly

[christo4_99]

http://www.overunity.com/12399/my-handi ... ch/111100/
My idea of the construction is thus : The two thick black hoops are mounted to the axle by their own supports/bearings per so that they move freely and remain centered . The two round pendulums are fastened at their respective ends to the hoops at two places per , one per hoop . This causes the two round pendulums to move in duplicate . The two round pendulums have brass or other metal hollow spheres (the lowermost one slightly heavier than the other) along with a arm per fastened to their periphery and are movable within . The arms of the metal hollow spheres have chords attached to them so that they can be raised and lowered with tension and slack . The chords are attached as in the third illustration to a central arm which is attached to the outer hoop . The two round pendulums are arranged to contact the inner hoop as they move inward . The inner edges of the round pendulums are arranged to only contact the spokes of the wheel . The spheres are suspended in a liquid that may be capped with an appropriately shaped piece of wood or other object to prevent the fluid from moving chaotically . When the wheel is turned the pendulums are displaced thus causing the liquid within them to move and raising one sphere while lowering the other , this action gives slack to one sphere and as one sphere is lowered it pulls itself and the pendulum within which is is contained inward . As the liquid rocks back the other way from the spoke passing and another spoke displacing the higher pendulum the process reverses . In between the inward arms of the round pendulums there is a rod (weight ) which can rotate freely on the axle and is spun and returned both by a spring tension in the thin downward arms of the round pendulums and the ends of the round pendulums alternately . Note : when this rod is centered it is not affecting the machine for a brief instant and it's function is to convey the bulk of the pressure from the movement to the round pendulums alternately and to sustain the movement .

[cloud camper]

It's really interesting here that you present your idea as if it had high validity yet from everything you've said, you have spent no time studying other experimenters projects, have done no simulation let alone constructed anything.

I think you need to understand that everyone on the forum believe they have the inside track into JB's design and many have spent thousands of hours and dollars thinking, studying, designing and building their concepts. Everyone has developed and evolved their own particular design philosophy after years of work so any design that does not match their particular philosophy of course is disregarded as trivial and poorly conceived.

My personal philosophy is that no design can work without active mechanical commutation and stress isolation. Others feel that no design can work based on gravity alone. Different theories abound. So everyone has their personal prejudices and ideas of what might work and what won't.

So why not at least try simulating your ideas in an almost free highly regarded program. This program does not have any personal prejudices or have grudges against flamboyant personalities. It will never ban you. It does not care who you are or what your experience level is. It limits it's response to strictly yes or no. Do you have a runner or not?

Get your design running in WM2D, present a simulation video of it running and you will instantly move to the top of the list.

At least show some effort that you have extensively evaluated your own design before trying to convince others. Let's try a little scientific method here.

[christo4_99]

I heard the wind blow . Bessler made these images separately and they fit together . Take it or leave it . Does it mean anything ? Who knows . I have some ideas , have made several animations of it and shared them with people ...I even presume to understand how it could work . But the fact is I'm not going to build it ...and I don't care anymore if anyone ever does . But it's nice to look at , huh ?

[Mark]

Label all assemblies and important parts in your diagram with either a letter or number.
As you describe them, their functions and interactions, refer to the corresponding labels.
Keep in mind that those that you are describing it to don't have full and clear knowledge of how its supposed to work.
Use plain everyday language.

Please stop placing large images (>600 pixels wide) inside the text area of your posts. If you use the attachment feature, folks won't have to scroll back and forth to read comments.

[christo4_99]

I have done plenty of work for/on this particular model/graphic representation . I am basically done with it on my end and now I leave it to anyone/everyone to make something of it or not .

[path_finder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yZwj111f_4

[rasselasss]

Brilliant....Thanks for sharing that.

[Stewart]

Here's the original thread on this subject:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=211

And one of my posts in it:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... =2484#2484

[murilo]

Here is other not so old thread:

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... sc&start=0

I guess that our christofour wants to try an upgrade...

The idea is not that bad.
Take care!
Best!
Murilo

[christo4_99]

I had asked Ralph at some point if anyone had ever combined these images and he told me yes but I had never seen this other thread . I just thought that since the images can be obviously combined that they call for some thought . Well, I've obviously given them some thought !
P.S. I read the whole other thread and it sort of dead-ended into nothing . No one was really sure what anything was in the images and the ones considering them were criticized for "grasping at straws ."

[christo4_99]

http://www.overunity.com/12399/my-handi ... ch/111100/

[christo4_99]

I think I sense a ghost in the machine . Watching the video and considering tension on the inner hoop opposite of that on the outer hoop it makes sense that the forces possibly can't become equalized .

Bessler's words come to mind "It's well known that countless people throughout all ages have sought the secret of perpetual motion, but no-one (apart from myself!) has ever found it. What were they seeking? All the wise ones were looking for the same principle ( of "excess weight") that I have described, and they sought it in things that were already familiar to them. They sought to bring a wheel into a state of motion, such that, without the need for winding, its innate virtue would keep it revolving as long as its materials might last."

Maybe Bessler was informing us that it is not necessary to lift weights to cause these conflicting forces/pressures .

[Tarsier79]

Nice animation. What program did you use?

Mechanically speaking, I don't see the promise you see.

Good luck.

K

[christo4_99]

Blender is what I used and xmedia recode for the flash file .
As far as someone seeing any promise I would expect that hardly anyone can grasp the concept . Kind of like looking at a bridge without any cars on it and then looking at it with cars on it ...you can't see the difference (in the structure of the bridge) but you know it's there .

[christo4_99]

Here is other not so old thread:

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... sc&start=0

I guess that our christofour wants to try an upgrade...

The idea is not that bad.
Take care!
Best!
Murilo

Not that bad !?! No, Murilo it's Brilliant ! But I don't think it's mine .

Here is a quote I took to be a clue which lead to the final touch on this design :
"I've also long thought of applications in smelting and stamping,
and of course, mining, as I've just said. To elaborate further,
water-power (or lack of it!) has often been a factor in mines not
being fully exploited, and many a mineworker has been reduced
to the ranks of penury as a result. Who's to blame for all this, I
ask - since no-one knew about my Wheel at the time! Who now,
though, could look askance at the Wheel, and deny its powers? If
it were to be incorporated into a mining operation, just think of the
profits that would ensue; the riches that would come from the
shafts and the rich workings that would be freed from excess
water. Many galleries and passages could then be once more
traversed for their full length. Many a treasure, that originally
came from Heaven, could be won from the mud."