Fletcher's Wheel - Ingenuity verses Entropy

[daxwc]

Triplock:

I see myself as more of a rock falling at free fall speed and landing in a big muddy puddle (whilst spraying bullets from an Uzi ?! ) Thanks for that disturbing analogy Daxwc.

I wasn’t talking about you as at least you are trying to understand. But in other threads where somebody presents something for example a design on CF and instantly 5 guys reply that it will never work (mostly because they are working on say a gravity wheel) without any thought. When the presenter tries to show them where he is headed they refuse to look or worse go on attack mode with ridicule while not having a clue why, what, where or how the presenter got to where he was. It diminishes the forum and we become turtles. The same goes for all the patent talk on something not invented and doesn’t exist yet, we may as well be talking about pink and blue fairies. Or prior art and patent antics should also be highly frowned upon by the forum members as a whole.

[triplock]

Daxwc

As this topic seems to be moving to 'post game' analysis, it seems reasonable to discuss things in general terms.

Firstly, I accept your general comments and conclusions. The thing is is that this forum is such a broad church. You have open sourcers on one hand and people driven by commercial reward , with a whole hue of people in between. That's life I'm afraid.

The common denominator with all though is that we individually want to be recognized as the author of a particular idea. Some use the forum to record authorship whilst others use the more formalised route of the Patent Office.

Because I am more skeptical than most in regards to the sincerity of others at large, I prefer to sit my IP within a legal framework . In my view there is nothing wrong with that. As you or Fletcher place your concepts here for Peer review I place mine in front of a Patent Examiner. The examiner, on his role, will not tolerate pink or blue fairies.

Furthermore, a pound to a pinch of dog shit ( quaint English saying ) someone with pick up on Fletcher's ideas, adapt and claim as their own. Not me as motion wheels are my bag. I'm simply not clever enough to analyse.

Finally, my general brutal honesty is not meant to offend . My critique of Fletcher's latest design is nothing personal ; I just like to cut to the chase.

Chris

[Dunesbury]

What is pound to pinch of dog shit? At The End Of The Dog?

Roberval balance is compound lever, is it not?

[triplock]

Lol I don't want to be responsible for making that old saying mainstream again !

It means ' with absolute certainty'.

Chris

[Dunesbury]

Pound to pinch of dog shit, no one will claim Fletcher's ideas.

[ovyyus]

Finally, my general brutal honesty is not meant to offend . My critique of Fletcher's latest design is nothing personal ; I just like to cut to the chase.

Me too. How can you critique something you don't understand?

[Dunesbury]

triplock wrote:
Finally, my general brutal honesty is not meant to offend . My critique of Fletcher's latest design is nothing personal ; I just like to cut to the chase.


Me too. How can you critique something you don't understand?

Because internet forum!

[triplock]

Ovyyus

I did / do understand Fletcher's wheel, but not in formulated way ( just the balance of probability and likelihood ). It's as good a method of analysis as any I suppose. Certainly makes for quicker decisions.

Chris

[ovyyus]

Based on 'just the balance of probability and likelihood', is no formal understanding required in order to come to a quick decision?

[daxwc]

Fletcher the artificial horizon has me stumped. I can’t see how Bessler used a weighted one in his wheel and be light enough to lift. So is there a mechanism to get the stator pinned into the other plane 90 degrees and use the axle as ground. Remember Bessler did have one pillar moving every turn… side loading (torqueing) down the axle would cause that. I imagine you already put some thought into this one.

[triplock]

Depends how you define 'formalised' ? But it's all just a play on words tbh and, ultimately , subjective.

[daxwc]

My critique of Fletcher's latest design is nothing personal ; I just like to cut to the chase.

Every time I read that I envision a greyhound race and one dog is too far back so he jumps the track, short cuts across the field and is waiting for the other dogs at the finish line with his tongue hanging out.

[ovyyus]

Fletcher the artificial horizon has me stumped. I can’t see how Bessler used a weighted one in his wheel and be light enough to lift.

Bessler removed the artificial horizon weights (a box of 4lb cylinders) in order to lift the wheel?

[triplock]

Daxwc
So whose's the smarter greyhound ? The ones chasing the stuffed rabbit or the one taking a short to get the reward first ?

The air of 'intellectual snobbery' from you and Ovvyus does amuse me greatly. I want you both to know that. It's almost like ' how dare this lower class minion question us . We are great and not subject to scrutiny '

Chris

[ovyyus]

No reward for a disqualified greyhound.

how dare this lower class minion question us . We are great and not subject to scrutiny

Who needs questions and scrutiny when quick decisions can be made based on probability and likelihood? Nothing personal.