Is this IT?

[daanopperman]

@ WaltCee ,

No , not honey , just patience .

@ jim mich ,

I just served my maid with notice , anytime you feel the needs to earn extra cash , apply here .

Daan..

[raj]

I have decided to temporarily follow the three monkeys advice to go blind, deaf and dumb, and get on with my AHGW working prototype build by paid professional engineers, the only way to have a convincing result, either good or bad.

Next month I am flying out to India to test my concept.

Raj

[daanopperman]

Hi Raj ,

I just love the picture of your video .

Daan .

[raj]

This is the final drawing of my AHGW working prototype I am having built in India next month.

This concept is now patent pending:
Patent Application Number: GB1617947.5

Can you follow the workings of my wheel concept from this drawing?

1 is drum wheel/flywheel diameter 8 units.
2 are inner rim of 1, diameter 4 units.
3 is smaller wheel diameter same as 2 and geared with 2 with identical levers 4 of length 2 units and its axle two units below axle of 1.
5 are identical strings of length same as length of chord joining end points of arc of the quadrant of 2 and 3, eight on rim of 2 and eight on rim of 3 at 45 degrees intervals.
6 are four identical weights, each weight swinging on two pairs of diametrically opposite hanging strings 5 , one pair on inner rim 2 starting from the 12 o'clock position and one pair on rim of 3 starting from 45 degrees going clockwise.

The proof of the pudding is expected on completion of built well before new year 2017.

Some comments from forum members?

I hope so.

Raj

[preoccupied]

That's a lot of pulley action (I think). You should ask Jim_Mich how to calculate the pulley actions. He once explained it to me. I'm sure that he would be happy to explain it you. You could label a drawing with letters and then put those letters in a Microsoft excel and post the excel with the angle differences so that we can see the calculations.

[raj]

Come what may, this is almost the end of my wheel search, by 2017.

Raj

[raj]

I am excited about this AHGW concept, BUT I am NOT claiming IT to be a RUNNER.

Remains to be seen.

Raj

[Tarsier79]

Raj. Don't get your hopes up too high. Bluntly, it isn't going to work. I don't see the requirements met for sustained rotation. Understanding why, or why not is the hard part.

[raj]

Bluntly does anybody know the requirement for sustained rotation?

Net continuous unidirectional torque.
Minimal friction.
No touching or rubbing parts.
No sound.
Light weight mechanism.
Only two or four weights.
Weights in continuous motion inside wheel, no resting at anytime.

All these requirements are in my design. My prototype building remains the only way to see if I am right.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Raj,

it reminds me of some of my V wheel experiments, only without the V wheel advantage of varying rope or lever lengths, which did not work mainly because there was not enough out of balance to drive it, and the way the ropes or levers pulled equally downward on which in effect was holding the wheel still in a gravity lock situation. I also built a V wheel with weighted discs to try to use the change in V wheel width to move the discs to shift the discs Center of Gravity, but this also was gravity locked even though the discs was off set from the axle. the lower weights or discs have to be force up against gravity and there is not enough out of balance to do that, so this type of design is always going to be gravity locked.

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/downl ... er=user_id

I also have some personal videos of these experiments that shows this gravity lock up, that backs up what I am saying here.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Bluntly does anybody know the requirement for sustained rotation?

I do! Trial and error until you get it right, I also think there is more than one way to meet those requirements.

Its the chase that is the fun part, even with all its ups and down, its the frill of the ride, but we can step off any time we like!

[preoccupied]

Bluntly does anybody know the requirement for sustained rotation?

Net continuous unidirectional torque.
Minimal friction.
No touching or rubbing parts.
No sound.
Light weight mechanism.
Only two or four weights.
Weights in continuous motion inside wheel, no resting at anytime.

All these requirements are in my design. My prototype building remains the only way to see if I am right.

You're forgetting a drafted drawing that knows its own mechanical forces. The way that you are doing this, you wouldn't be able to design a clock that runs on gravity. You might be able to draw concepts that act only for their specific method in simple drawings, but once you get complicated and have a dozen strings looped together, you are responsible for labeling it and having a Microsoft excel of the forces. I'm not an engineer.

[Tarsier79]

No Trevor, I was talking about the specific traits a mechanism must have to sustain. It is not OB, and it never will be. It is the ability to amplify a force, or teleport weight around a wheel, or create a gain in energy, or to fool gravity, even for a moment. Weights moving around following a certain path will never give you success.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Kaine,

did you mean me or Raj?

I still back gravity out of balance wheels when done right, and that is a greater pull down on the descending side of the wheel, than the pull down on the ascending side of the wheel.

To achieve this, first there is a need to increase the weight shift efficiency over the known weight shifts to overcome the height for width scenario, and I think there is more than one way to do this.

Only trial and error (experiments) will give the answers to or questions.

Edit, we have both used experimental evidence to increase our Knowledge base, and no doubt we must have done some of the same experiments, but we have also done different experiments. Most of my experiment would only go to back up the known laws, but not all of them, there are loop holes to exploit, if I had not found any loop holes, then I would have gave up years ago.

[raj]

I am building my concept testing working prototype by paid professionals of the machine building trade in India before new year 2017.

I am confident to learn something new from my design. So I am spending time and money to fly out to India to test my theory. The prototype works or does not work, it will be my pleasure to build it. That is the only way I shall know the truth

Raj