And here is one even more understandable variation of the considerations related to the links https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/20 ... _01-12.pdf and https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/20 ... s01-08.pdf.
1) Let us assume that the mass of the black component is m and the mass of the blue component is m too. The initial velocity of the blue component is Vo and its linear momentum is mVo respectively.
2) Let us consider only the zigzag experiment 2.
3) Firstly, let us consider what would happen if the zigzag channels are rough and there is friction. And secondly, let us consider what will happen if the zigzag channels are smooth and there is no friction.
4) The question is how many zigzags have to be covered by the blue component for both the black component and the blue component to form one united whole whose mass is 2m and whose velocity is Vo/2, and whose linear momentum is exactly (2m)(Vo/2).
5) The answer is surprisingly simple -- simple formulas and calculations have to be used only.
5A) For the first case -- rough zigzag channels. The blue component has to cover 5 zigzags for both the black component and the blue component to form one united whole whose mass is 2m and whose velocity is Vo/2, and whose linear momentum is (2m)(Vo/2) respectively. In this first case HEAT IS GENERATED.
5B) For the second case -- smooth zigzag channels. The same final results with the only difference that (1) the blue component has to cover 11 zigzags and (2) HEAT IS NOT GENERATED.
6) We chose a sine wave shape of the zigzag channels. But one can use any other zigzag-shaped curve.
7) For the calculations we used the following initial data.
7A) Force of friction = 1N (initial value); force of friction gradually decreases because it depends on the normal force (normal to the sine wave curve) which also decreases while the blue component moves in relation to the black component.
7B) Coefficient of sliding friction = 0.5 = const.; it does not change while the blue component moves in relation to the black component.
7C) Sine wave maximum amplitude = 0.2 m.
7D) Vo = 1 m/s.
7E) m = 1 kg.
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How to explain the situation in a simpler manner?
There is only one step from the above considerations to the designing and manufacturing of a comparatively simple entirely mechanical reactionless drive machine.
Looking forward to the answers of all sceptics (who we actually consider as friends, associates and colleagues).
Regards,
George
IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
1) Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
2) Any member of this forum (a) who is a top expert in theoretical and applied mechanics, and (b) who is able to check the correctness of our calculations related to 5/11 zigzag experiments?
2) Any member of this forum (a) who is a top expert in theoretical and applied mechanics, and (b) who is able to check the correctness of our calculations related to 5/11 zigzag experiments?
re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
If I can help with something I will gladly do it .. My animations are only in 2d and they are not complex.
You can see something on my channel:
http://www.youtube.com/c/JulioAntonioCortezRuizVelasco
And here I put an animation:
There is only one problem: My native language is Spanish and it is difficult for me understand these texts ... if someone can make a better explanation or esuqema I think I will understand better ...
Thank you
You can see something on my channel:
http://www.youtube.com/c/JulioAntonioCortezRuizVelasco
And here I put an animation:
There is only one problem: My native language is Spanish and it is difficult for me understand these texts ... if someone can make a better explanation or esuqema I think I will understand better ...
Thank you
re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
To juliotony.
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Hi Julio,
Hi dear friend,
Hi dear Enthusiast,
Thank you very much for your letter. We are extremely glad of receiving of your post because we are also a team of enthusiasts just like you. And we think that enthusiasm is the main reason for the success of any great endeavour.
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1) First of all congratulations for your wonderful 17 YouTube clips! They are really magnificent and very, very interesting as conceptions and principles of operation! You are a real artist and a gifted engineer!
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2) You wrote that the animations are only in 2d and they are not complex. It seems to me that this cannot be a problem however. FIRSTLY, each of your constructions is much more complex (as a principle of operation) than the reactionless drive. The latter consists of two components only, while each of your machines consists of at least four (and even more) components. SECONDLY, 2d animation is perfect as the reactionless drive two basic experiments are carried out in a single plane and there is no necessity of a third dimension.
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3) And two small questions.
Question 1. Do you have any calculations related to your 17 machines or they all are based on technology intuition? (I have nothing against intuition. On the contrary, in my poor opinion most often intuition is the leader and logic and calculations are the followers.)
Question 2. Can your 2d animation automatically show some numerical results for mechanical quantities like velocity, linear momentum, linear acceleration/decceleration, normal and tangential force, etc.? If yes, it's perfect. And if not, then is it possible to add something to the program in order to see some numerical values for the above mentioned mechanical quantities?
BUT IT'S OK TO DO THE ANIMATION ONLY AT FIRST!
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4) I would like to ask you to have a look again at the first experiment (Figs. 1, 2, 2A and 3). The experiment is very, very simple -- much simpler than any of your 17 magnificent machines (which are very interesting indeed and it will take some time to understand the essence of each one.) Besides the 17 machines and the reactionless drive has many similar or identical components like slides, pistons, rods, etc. Furthermore we are preparing now an adaptation of the text and drawings of the first experiment (Figs. 1, 2, 2A and 3) as we hope that this will be useful for you. We also hope that some members of this forum like The VisitorV, agor95, Art and John Collins, whose positive criticism was very useful, would also help.
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Eagerly looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
P.S. What is "esuqema"?
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Hi Julio,
Hi dear friend,
Hi dear Enthusiast,
Thank you very much for your letter. We are extremely glad of receiving of your post because we are also a team of enthusiasts just like you. And we think that enthusiasm is the main reason for the success of any great endeavour.
----------------------
1) First of all congratulations for your wonderful 17 YouTube clips! They are really magnificent and very, very interesting as conceptions and principles of operation! You are a real artist and a gifted engineer!
----------------------
2) You wrote that the animations are only in 2d and they are not complex. It seems to me that this cannot be a problem however. FIRSTLY, each of your constructions is much more complex (as a principle of operation) than the reactionless drive. The latter consists of two components only, while each of your machines consists of at least four (and even more) components. SECONDLY, 2d animation is perfect as the reactionless drive two basic experiments are carried out in a single plane and there is no necessity of a third dimension.
----------------------
3) And two small questions.
Question 1. Do you have any calculations related to your 17 machines or they all are based on technology intuition? (I have nothing against intuition. On the contrary, in my poor opinion most often intuition is the leader and logic and calculations are the followers.)
Question 2. Can your 2d animation automatically show some numerical results for mechanical quantities like velocity, linear momentum, linear acceleration/decceleration, normal and tangential force, etc.? If yes, it's perfect. And if not, then is it possible to add something to the program in order to see some numerical values for the above mentioned mechanical quantities?
BUT IT'S OK TO DO THE ANIMATION ONLY AT FIRST!
---------------------
4) I would like to ask you to have a look again at the first experiment (Figs. 1, 2, 2A and 3). The experiment is very, very simple -- much simpler than any of your 17 magnificent machines (which are very interesting indeed and it will take some time to understand the essence of each one.) Besides the 17 machines and the reactionless drive has many similar or identical components like slides, pistons, rods, etc. Furthermore we are preparing now an adaptation of the text and drawings of the first experiment (Figs. 1, 2, 2A and 3) as we hope that this will be useful for you. We also hope that some members of this forum like The VisitorV, agor95, Art and John Collins, whose positive criticism was very useful, would also help.
---------------------
Eagerly looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
P.S. What is "esuqema"?
re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Hi!!!!
I want to say schemes...
Regarding your question .. the animations offer graphs of time, speed, etc.
And the designs are only intuitive based on my poor experience on the subject
It's a pleasure to work with you ...
Julio (juliotony)
I want to say schemes...
Regarding your question .. the animations offer graphs of time, speed, etc.
And the designs are only intuitive based on my poor experience on the subject
It's a pleasure to work with you ...
Julio (juliotony)
re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Hi!!!!
I want to say schemes...
Regarding your question .. the animations offer graphs of time, speed, etc.
And the designs are only intuitive based on my poor experience on the subject
It's a pleasure to work with you ...
Julio (juliotony)
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Hi Julio,
Hi dear friend,
Hi dear Enthusiast,
We are preparing now the schemes and/or detailed written descriptions and explanations.
It's perfect that animations offer graphs of time, speed, etc.
It's an axiom that intuition is the leader and logic and calculations are the followers. Your approach is absolutely correct!
It is also a pleasure for us to work with you! Let's do the things together!
The schemes and/or detailed written descriptions and explanations will be sent to you in the nearest future.
Best regards,
George
I want to say schemes...
Regarding your question .. the animations offer graphs of time, speed, etc.
And the designs are only intuitive based on my poor experience on the subject
It's a pleasure to work with you ...
Julio (juliotony)
----------------------
Hi Julio,
Hi dear friend,
Hi dear Enthusiast,
We are preparing now the schemes and/or detailed written descriptions and explanations.
It's perfect that animations offer graphs of time, speed, etc.
It's an axiom that intuition is the leader and logic and calculations are the followers. Your approach is absolutely correct!
It is also a pleasure for us to work with you! Let's do the things together!
The schemes and/or detailed written descriptions and explanations will be sent to you in the nearest future.
Best regards,
George
re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Hi Julio,
Hi dear friend,
Hi dear Enthusiast,
Some colleagues are preparing now the schemes as you wanted. But it will take some time however.
Meanwhile I decided to accelerate the things. Here is a short verbal (actually written) description of experiment 1.
Please read the text below and look simultaneously at the link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/20 ... s01-08.pdf. It's simple.
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1) Please imagine a horizontal smooth table/plane.
2) Two long identical black pipes and one short black pipe lie on the smooth horizontal table/plane.
3) The three black pipes are parallel to each other as the short black pipe is situated a little behind the two long black pipes.
4) The three black pipes are fixed together with two identical black rods. The three black pipes and the two black rods form one united whole, which is called a black component.
5) The black component can slide horizontally without friction on the smooth horizontal table/plane.
6) Each of the two long identical black pipes has a straight-line lateral cut-out (slot/nick/notch/cutting), which spreads from end to end of the pipe. The two cut-outs are parallel to the smooth horizontal table/plane and look at each other.
7) All surfaces of the black component are smooth except the two symmetrical segments S inside the two long black pipes. The two symmetrical segments S are rough.
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So that was the description of the black component. Let us now describe shortly and the blue component too.
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1) The blue component consists of (a) a long blue rod, (b) a blue pipe, (c) two identical blue balls and (d) two short identical blue rods.
2) The long blue rod and the blue pipe are fixed together at a right angle thus forming one united whole, which resembles the capital letter T.
3) One of the blue balls is fixed to one of the short blue rods thus forming one united whole. The other blue ball is fixed to the other short blue rod thus forming another one united whole.
4) The short blue rods can slide without friction inside the blue pipe.
5) The long blue rod can slide without friction inside the short black pipe.
6) The two short black rods pass through the horizontal straight-line cut-outs of the long black pipes.
7) The two blue balls are situated inside the two long black pipes and can slide without friction inside the black pipes before entering and after exiting the rough segments S.
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So that was the description of the components. And now about the experiment.
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1) The blue component moves with uniform velocity Vo as shown in Fig.1. (This is the point of view from the above.) The blue balls slide without friction inside the long black pipes and the long blue rod slides without friction inside the short black pipe. The black component is motionless.
2) The two blue balls enter the rough segments S and as a result because of friction the blue component decelerates and the black component accelerates (Fig.2 and Fig.2A).
3) The two blue balls exit the two rough segments S (Fig.3). Now friction is again zero and both the black component and the blue component move with uniform velocities, where the velocity of the blue component is bigger than the velocity of the black component as the mass of the blue component is smaller than the mass of the black component.
4) Let us give numerical values to the initial parameters:
a) mass of the blue component = 1 kg;
b) mass of the black component = 10 kg;
c) force of friction inside segments S = 1 N;
(Note: force of friction is assumed to be a constant for the present.)
d) uniform velocity Vo of the blue component when the balls have not entered yet the rough segments S = 1 m/s;
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The question is what will be the uniform velocities of the black and blue components respectively when the blue balls exit the rough segments S. The answer must be given by the simulator.
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This is experiment 1 (Figs. 1, 2, 2A and 3). Let us carry out at first only experiment 1.
Please ask questions, if any.
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Hi dear friend,
Hi dear Enthusiast,
Some colleagues are preparing now the schemes as you wanted. But it will take some time however.
Meanwhile I decided to accelerate the things. Here is a short verbal (actually written) description of experiment 1.
Please read the text below and look simultaneously at the link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/20 ... s01-08.pdf. It's simple.
-----------------------
1) Please imagine a horizontal smooth table/plane.
2) Two long identical black pipes and one short black pipe lie on the smooth horizontal table/plane.
3) The three black pipes are parallel to each other as the short black pipe is situated a little behind the two long black pipes.
4) The three black pipes are fixed together with two identical black rods. The three black pipes and the two black rods form one united whole, which is called a black component.
5) The black component can slide horizontally without friction on the smooth horizontal table/plane.
6) Each of the two long identical black pipes has a straight-line lateral cut-out (slot/nick/notch/cutting), which spreads from end to end of the pipe. The two cut-outs are parallel to the smooth horizontal table/plane and look at each other.
7) All surfaces of the black component are smooth except the two symmetrical segments S inside the two long black pipes. The two symmetrical segments S are rough.
-----------------------------------
So that was the description of the black component. Let us now describe shortly and the blue component too.
----------------------------------
1) The blue component consists of (a) a long blue rod, (b) a blue pipe, (c) two identical blue balls and (d) two short identical blue rods.
2) The long blue rod and the blue pipe are fixed together at a right angle thus forming one united whole, which resembles the capital letter T.
3) One of the blue balls is fixed to one of the short blue rods thus forming one united whole. The other blue ball is fixed to the other short blue rod thus forming another one united whole.
4) The short blue rods can slide without friction inside the blue pipe.
5) The long blue rod can slide without friction inside the short black pipe.
6) The two short black rods pass through the horizontal straight-line cut-outs of the long black pipes.
7) The two blue balls are situated inside the two long black pipes and can slide without friction inside the black pipes before entering and after exiting the rough segments S.
-------------------------------------
So that was the description of the components. And now about the experiment.
-------------------------------------
1) The blue component moves with uniform velocity Vo as shown in Fig.1. (This is the point of view from the above.) The blue balls slide without friction inside the long black pipes and the long blue rod slides without friction inside the short black pipe. The black component is motionless.
2) The two blue balls enter the rough segments S and as a result because of friction the blue component decelerates and the black component accelerates (Fig.2 and Fig.2A).
3) The two blue balls exit the two rough segments S (Fig.3). Now friction is again zero and both the black component and the blue component move with uniform velocities, where the velocity of the blue component is bigger than the velocity of the black component as the mass of the blue component is smaller than the mass of the black component.
4) Let us give numerical values to the initial parameters:
a) mass of the blue component = 1 kg;
b) mass of the black component = 10 kg;
c) force of friction inside segments S = 1 N;
(Note: force of friction is assumed to be a constant for the present.)
d) uniform velocity Vo of the blue component when the balls have not entered yet the rough segments S = 1 m/s;
--------------------------------------
The question is what will be the uniform velocities of the black and blue components respectively when the blue balls exit the rough segments S. The answer must be given by the simulator.
-------------------------------------
This is experiment 1 (Figs. 1, 2, 2A and 3). Let us carry out at first only experiment 1.
Please ask questions, if any.
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
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Hi Julio,
I am sending again the link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/20 ... s01-08.pdf
I am sending again the link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/20 ... s01-08.pdf
re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Now the link works -- please use for the link my second today post. Besides the link can be found in the first post of this forum discussion published on Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:41 pm.
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards again,
George
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards again,
George
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Hi Julio,
1) There is no message from you. What happens? Please ask questions, if any.
2) You use probably a program similar to the link https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
The latter generates graphs of velocities, lengths, spring stiffnesses, you give initial values of masses, etc. May be you use something like this?
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
1) There is no message from you. What happens? Please ask questions, if any.
2) You use probably a program similar to the link https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
The latter generates graphs of velocities, lengths, spring stiffnesses, you give initial values of masses, etc. May be you use something like this?
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
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Hi Julio.
You disappered somewhere, my friend. Where are you? What happens?
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
Sven
You disappered somewhere, my friend. Where are you? What happens?
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
Sven
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re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Hi George1,
your link
But unfortunately my version what I need is not present.
I used to simulate the swinging of the chain with springs, and detected that with the Euler equations we get an undamped, self sustaining oscillation.
your link
Is very helpful to see some of the simulations.You use probably a program similar to the link https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
But unfortunately my version what I need is not present.
I used to simulate the swinging of the chain with springs, and detected that with the Euler equations we get an undamped, self sustaining oscillation.
Best regards
Georg
Georg
re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Hi.
I do not understand something .. You told me that the black structure is fixed and only the blue structure is the one that moves. How will the deceleration of the black structure be calculated if it is fixed?
Julio
I do not understand something .. You told me that the black structure is fixed and only the blue structure is the one that moves. How will the deceleration of the black structure be calculated if it is fixed?
Julio
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I'm preparing the animation but I need exact details
