Sam Peppiatt wrote:Hi ME!
All right what can I say. First off guys like ECC1 aren't stupid, far from it. In fact they have a superior intellect. That's what gets me. They are always perceived to be right. Which I disagree with.
As far as I'm concerned; it was self evident , (thanks to John Collins), that Bessler's wheel worked.
The 1st law was got up by Hemann Helmholtz in order to save face, because
he, like all scientist, could not resolve in his mind how to explain a way to make a PMM.
How am I doing? What have I left out? Oh yea, what I meant was why isn't EEC1 over at Lock haven U. web site?
Sam
Ah, so it was actually your own nerve that resonated... Hermann von Helmholtz would be proud.
In fact they have a superior intellect. That's what gets me. They are always perceived to be right. Which I disagree with.
I didn't perceive that post that way... yet you seem to.
In my viewpoint there's only one remedy: Be critical; ask questions; avoid opinionated 'facts' as much as possible!
The "burden of proof" works in everyone's advantage. So use it.
Demonstration:
Georg Künstler wrote:ovyyus wrote: Gravity doesn't make things fall up.
But redirection of gravity can do it.
- Georg, proof that the sum of masses can be lifted by redirection.
See, easy!
As far as I'm concerned; it was self evident , (thanks to John Collins), that Bessler's wheel worked.
Indeed, thanks to people like John Collins we may give Bessler some benefit of the doubt (thanks JC) .
Sorry, but my acceptance is still stuck around the level of curiosity.
As far as I'm concerned this added "self-evidency" remains "hearsay" because you can't verify what Bessler did even when you happen to invent a perpetual motion machine yourself. So we disagree.
A clue is not truth. Neither is some story by definition.
- When we saw David Copperfield float and fly around the stage, we knew we could do it too. Evidently we all flew off!
The 1st law was got up by Hemann Helmholtz in order to save face, because
he, like all scientist, could not resolve in his mind how to explain a way to make a PMM.
Who knows. That may be exactly how it went. I just doubt the direction of that implication you made.
It's in the human nature that such primary law will be challenged, just as we stubbornly keep trying to discover Bessler's secret.
Not everyone can be successfully indoctrinated and shaped into ...[Idunno what shape, a pretzel?].
World-wide, throughout time there are whole armies of students, or academics, or hobbyists, or scientists, or lay-people, or professors who, despite possible 'programming' attempts, are still eager to outsmart their current or former professor, 'favorite' scientist, nearest academic, parent, preschoolteacher, person-next-door's dog or whoever's 'out there', at any or otherwise carefully planned opportunity they can get. Just for 'reasons' of human nature.
I really absolutely doubt it, but when 'they' didn't thought about challenging that law earlier then there will likely be some capable lost eccentric soul roaming around here who is currently helped to think about it right now by reading exactly that idea right here and pass it along as a group-challenge. We need only one to get it started and, encouragingly, you thought about it too!
But unfortunately that law (symmetry and balance) simply holds, until an exception is found and verified.
To put it differently.
- It's useless to blame the basket, or its designer, of not containing any tasteful cookies.
And there will appear no single cookie in the basket just because you feel so hungry.
For that basket to get filled with exactly the cookies you want, you need to bake them first yourself.
It's less ideal, but you could also wait for someone else to bake them for you so you can buy it in the end.
Until then, the basket remains empty or filled with cookies you simply don't like.
Oh yea, what I meant was why isn't EEC1 over at Lock haven U. web site?
Does it actually matter? (Besides, why that specific one?)
But think about it, he could actually be that one capable lost soul swiftly baking all kinds of cookies!!
Good luck.
