IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?

[gravitationallychallenged]

The inventors of a device that supposedly increases an electric car's range up to 25 times only want 10 MILLION dollars for the information? Does anyone actually believe that these inventors would donate 9 MILLION of those dollars to charity? Also, why would someone with 10 MILLION dollars to invest be interested in upsetting the current economic system that provided them with that much wealth? Obviously they haven't learned anything from Herr Bessler's mistake.

[Silvertiger]

George, the reason your equations are not in agreement is simple:

The Law of Conservation of Mechanical Energy is dependent upon both PE and KE, and is the sum of both. Therefore, in your system, this law does not apply, since your system has no conservative forces, such as gravity or spring, which is what the LoCoME refers to, for it requires a constant field of acceleration for a given system. Momentum is conserved because it does NOT require a net force to act for it to be conserved. In your system, a force only has to act once, after which it dissipates, and momentum does the rest, which satisfies conservation of momentum, but not mechanical energy.

You have your answer now. Does this satisfy your curiosity? :)

[silent]

You've been spamming overunity.com too I see.

George1 - just simply tell us what is your motive with this repeated questioning. What do you want? Do you want someone to tell you that you're right? I don't object to anything you've said - either outright or theoretically.

So get on with it. What do you want?

silent

[agor95]

I am impressed the active members, approx 55, have shown this level of tolerance.

Other guest posters will read this thread and know we are not a bad bunch.

However there are limits.

I for one have no feelings on this thread so any projected feeling being assigned like fear or hate is in the mind of others.

If the thread owner wants a Bessler Forum site members to be more interested then
but a better presentation that is relevant to the audience.

I will not clarify this statement as the owner can talk to all his implied team for a way forward.

Cheers

[George1]

Ok, ok, please excuse me, if I have insulted and/or made angry somebody. I am apologizing to all of you.
But let us focus again on the target.
I am writing again the most important abstract of the third link. (Please look at our post of Dec 27, 2019, 3:29 pm.) And here is this MOST IMPORTANT abstract:
"It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0."
Do you have any theoretical (ONLY THEORETICAL!) objections against this last claim? YES OR NO?

[Senax]

I am a "professional (and envious) hater" so I have red-dotted you.

Have a nice day.

[Silvertiger]

George, I repeat:

George, the reason your equations are not in agreement is simple:

The Law of Conservation of Mechanical Energy is dependent upon both PE and KE, and is the sum of both. Therefore, in your system, this law does not apply, since your system has no conservative forces, such as gravity or spring, which is what the LoCoME refers to, for it requires a constant field of acceleration for a given system. Momentum is conserved because it does NOT require a net force to act for it to be conserved. In your system, a force only has to act once, after which it dissipates, and momentum does the rest, which satisfies conservation of momentum, but not mechanical energy.

You have your answer now. Does this satisfy your curiosity? :)

[agor95]

I am impressed the active members, approx 55, have shown this level of tolerance.

Other guest posters will read this thread and know we are not a bad bunch.

However there are limits.

I for one have no feelings on this thread so any projected feeling being assigned like fear or hate is in the mind of others.

If the thread owner wants a Bessler Forum site members to be more interested then
put forward a better presentation that is relevant to the audience.

I will not clarify this statement as the owner can talk to all his implied team for a way forward.

Cheers

https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8308

Repeat

[George1]

Hi everyone,
Thank you for your replies.
We are talking again about different things. I would like to ask you again to focus on the target and not to consider things which are true by themselves but which are not related to the present discussion.
A SIMPLE DIRECT QUESTION NEEDS A SIMPLE DIRECT ANSWER! AND YOU ALWAYS AVOID TO GIVE THIS SIMPLE DIRECT ANSWER!
But I am a man of good will and patience and I will repeat again. I am writing again the most important abstract of the third link. And here is this MOST IMPORTANT abstract:
"It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0."
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And I will modify the question a little especially for all of you. And here it is: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" YES OR NO?
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Looking forward to your answer.
George
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P. S. Please understand very well the meanings of Fc, Fc', d and d'. Because it seems to me that you are not very familiar with these four terms.

[eccentrically1]

It isn't a reactionless drive or a PMM. How does the blue component start moving? You'd have to include that in your theory. How does the blue component get back through the segment S to reset for another cycle without cancelling the initial motion? Also important to your theory.
You can choose a combination of forces, segments or zigzags to get those formulas, sure, but only in theory. That's the objection.
In reality, you can't choose those combinations. So the experiment wouldn't work, even under ideal conditions.

[silent]

Geroge1: Why do you keep asking these questions to people who largely don't understand your terminology and equations? Are you here to teach or here to flaunt your superior knowledge?

It's similar to if I had buried some gold in a remote location and I kept asking, "Do you know where the gold is? What is your theoretical objection to the location of the gold?" What do you think the end result of this is?

Many people here have no idea what you're talking about and to keep asking questions to people who don't know the answers does absolutely nothing.

What you should be doing is just explaining in simple terms what you have discovered or learned and share this instead of asking the same bloody questions over and over and over and over again. It does nothing for your reputation.

One thing you've never answered is: What is your motive in coming to a forum that is largely concerned with the Bessler Wheel and perpetually asking questions that are largely off-topic? Just what do you think the end result will be if you keep asking questions to people who don't know the answer to your question?

It's extremely frustrating and boring.

silent

[John Collins]

Changed my mind! 😁

[Silvertiger]

Hi everyone,
Thank you for your replies.
We are talking again about different things. I would like to ask you again to focus on the target and not to consider things which are true by themselves but which are not related to the present discussion.
A SIMPLE DIRECT QUESTION NEEDS A SIMPLE DIRECT ANSWER! AND YOU ALWAYS AVOID TO GIVE THIS SIMPLE DIRECT ANSWER!
But I am a man of good will and patience and I will repeat again. I am writing again the most important abstract of the third link. And here is this MOST IMPORTANT abstract:
"It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0."
-------------------------
And I will modify the question a little especially for all of you. And here it is: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" YES OR NO?
-------------------------
Looking forward to your answer.
George
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P. S. Please understand very well the meanings of Fc, Fc', d and d'. Because it seems to me that you are not very familiar with these four terms.

George, I will just repeat this ad infinitum...since you appear to have problems reading replies:

George, the reason your equations are not in agreement is simple:

The Law of Conservation of Mechanical Energy is dependent upon both PE and KE, and is the sum of both. Therefore, in your system, this law does not apply, since your system has no conservative forces, such as gravity or spring, which is what the LoCoME refers to, for it requires a constant field of acceleration for a given system. Momentum is conserved because it does NOT require a net force to act for it to be conserved. In your system, a force only has to act once, after which it dissipates, and momentum does the rest, which satisfies conservation of momentum, but not mechanical energy.

You have your answer now. Does this satisfy your curiosity? :)

George...forget about friction. The meat and potatoes of the entire proposal is based on faulty reasoning, which I have addressed.

[ME]

Maybe the programming is broken, or limited.
Perhaps he's signalling us the truth, that he's reactionless and perpetual.
Poor thing.


Let's reiterate by looping back. Or as stated earlier:

George... your replies are a bit stuck in a loop without processing new information. I hope for you it's not a too severe system bug, or a burn-in problem.
[link]

Let's add multiple, maybe it'll cause an internal stack overflow.

The first thing I thought was homework-gone-rogue... But after some grading I stumbled over mirrors and smoke.
[link]
...
If you ask me, I see no reason for a simulation.
Besides, what happened to those "extremely gifted engineers"?
[link]

Who knows how George1 operates. It's not really "evident". [link]

I think it's time to deploy George2.

[George1]

Hi everyone,
Let us focus again on the target.
1) Firstly, please understand very well the meanings of Fc, Fc', d and d' described in the third link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/20 ... a_look.pdf.
2) Secondly, please answer the following simple question: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" YES OR NO? (Is it so difficult to answer such a simple question? It is like a binary code -- 0 or 1.)
Looking forward to your answer.
George