Gravity wheels with a fundamental difference

[Robinhood46]

I am going to need to play a lot with all the different variables.
This short video shows very clearly what i have been talking about for the past few months. The walking/progressing around the wheel of the swinging weights.
I do hope someone manages to perfection it. It will take me weeks if not months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqxkz7-o1q0

[Tarsier79]

Hi RH

I love your wheel. I think most of us at some time have talked about weights that precess around the wheel. That is probably the first time I have seen a "working" prototype model. I can imagine it working similar to an escapement mechanism.

What I am not a fan of is the weight movement looks like it is counter-productive to what you are trying to achieve.

[Tarsier79]

Hi RH

I love your wheel. I think most of us at some time have talked about weights that precess around the wheel. That is probably the first time I have seen a "working" prototype model. I can imagine it working similar to an escapement mechanism.

What I am not a fan of is the weight movement looks like it is counter-productive to what you are trying to achieve.

By the way, what advantage does the weight give by advancing, or retarding compared to the wheel movement?

[Robinhood46]

Tarsier79
The weights in the video have a ratio of 3/1.
4/1 worked ok with the 8 sectioned wheel, because i was less greedy with the heavy weights. They only had a difference of 50 mm between down and up. The 9 sectioned has a difference of 105 mm, so 1/4 doesn't function too well. Like i said it's early days.
You can't see the difference of the weights in the video, there are 3 big washers near the center and only 1 at the end of the arm. When i had the 4 sets of weights on it was surprisingly well balanced at every point of rotation. I've never had a wheel with so much movement of weights that isn't fighting to go either one way or the other before. Springs or connecting rods between the 2 opposing arms, may just give it the tiny advantage one way needed.
The advantage, i hope, is that the weights move one step ahead of the wheel. A weight left to fall from 1 o'clock puts enough energy into the wheel to raise it to 11. lifting a weight to 11 or to 1 o'clock is the same height.

[Robinhood46]

Hi Tarsier,

That is probably the first time I have seen a "working" prototype model.

This is the reason i am very enthousiastic that the answer is to be found using this method. As i said in my initial post, something about, not trying to do what has been tried millions of times and trying something new.

By the way, what advantage does the weight give by advancing, or retarding compared to the wheel movement?

I've tried to explain my thoughts as to the fundamental differences between, weights going around an axle fixed to a section of the wheel, and weights going around an axle that are applying the exact same forces, but with the difference of evolving , or retarding the effect on the wheel.

I think most of us at some time have talked about weights that precess around the wheel

I've talked about it for a long time, but only with myself. It is only since the beginning of this year, that it became clear, this is the only way of explaining why we, collectively, made the mistake of thinking/believing PM is impossible.
We are all fully aware of all, or at least, the majority of the arguments as to why Bessler's wheel was PM. The only valid argument as to why it was not, is simply, because it had already been decided that it wasn't allowed.
The movement of weights in space is gouverned by the fudamental laws, which they are obliged to respect. If the whel is fixed to the weights, it too, is obliged to respect the same laws. By seperating the rotation of the weights from the rotation of the wheel, we can explain why it can do nothing other than turn because the weights themselves must respect the laws. A wheel that turns, with weights respecting the laws that cannot be broken, is far more likely than weights that defy the laws. The universal laws do not need to be changed, they need to be applied at a universal scale.
I'm having difficulty with the "movable pags", which have trurned into the "broken columns". I am now wondering if the best option wouldn't be some sort of "movable broken columns"??
If the sloped "pivots" were to rotate themselves, at specific moments, this could be achieved relatively easy, and at little cost, (energetic, not financial). This would certainly make the inner "broken columns" simpler to make and assure they hold the swinging arms when needed.
You said " I can imagine it working similar to an escapement mechanism". Can you picture a specific mechanism that would be effective for the desired movement?

[Tarsier79]

No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmKrrShOyK4

Escapements are F'n cool though.

The problem is, you can design an escapement for this specific mechanism, but change a lever length or weight and it won't work.

I can try to work one out for you, it doesn't look impossible. Let me get back to you when I have more time.

[Robinhood46]

Excellent craftsmanship. We can do wonders with scraps of multiply and a few nuts and bolts.
3D printers can throw these out by the dozens i would have thought. They would be fun to have but the sense of achievement wouldn't be the same.
I've given some thought to escapement mechansms. The problem being that not only the arms need to be controlled with regard the stepping forward, but the mechanism also needs to hold the "end" well enough to swing the other "end". I can't get my head round a solution using this, somebody else's thoughts on it would be much appreciated.
Thanks.

[Robinhood46]

I've managed to make some movable pegs. Very lightly sprung loaded. If all goes well, the swinging arms will push them out of the way as they swing in. A mechanism will be needed to pull the peg away from the lower end of the arms at 7.30-8.
If i actually manage to have a mechanism that functions, i will try compressing a spring against the rim at the red tape. The weight at the end of the arm should be able to compress it without much effort, when released at 8 hrs the force will be direct (almost) on the weight that leaves the rim.
It looks like 9 sections is needed and 4 or 8 weights.
I think i've already shared photos of this set up, but with the white boards and the red tape, it is easier to see the weights path.

[John Collins]

This is not a complaint, more likely something I’m doing wrong, but every time I click on any of your pictures, RH46, to enlarge them, they distort sideways, resulting in a tall very narrow picture which is very hard to comprehend. Any advice would be welcome by me.

JC

[Fletcher]

Click on the pic attachment.

Then Control (Ctrl) and + at the same time. Continue to hit Plus ( + ) to carry on enlarging. Ctrl Negative ( - ) to take back to original size.

[agor95]

My I also give the advice too take the photos in landscape.

So hold the phone horizontal and that will help.

Most monitors and TV are more long than tall these days.

So when we use our mega projector TV on the wall,
We could enlarge your pictures too appreciate every fine detail :)

Cheers

[Robinhood46]

There was i, as proud as punch, to have managed to finally get the hang of sharing photos the right way up. Only to learn it was an optical illusion.
My son also said the same as Agor, that turning the phone horizantle should do the trick. He also said i should not have the "screen rotation" disactivated.
I thought that because i was correcting the orientation on the photo resizing website, before downloading the feather weight version, it was all sorted. Little did i know.
Here is a photo, taken with the phone horizantal and screen rotation activated. I hope it works.
I don't know if it works with other OS's but this method works fine with Windows 10.

[agor95]

I like your lateral thinking.

For those in the know you can place your laptop on it's end, but first use the graphic control app to rotate the laptop screen display.

This makes a normal computer look like an old Mac screen aspect ratio.

P.S. It's not recommended - the screen rotates but the mouse movements are not <:-|

Regards

[John Collins]

Thanks fletch, my bad! JC

[agor95]

You can always try F11 in your browser.

Cheers