sealed and signed by bessler , this is Besslers seal

[johannesbender]

this is the seal used by Bessler on some letters he send.

[John Collins]

Thank you for that Johannes, although I have a copy of that signature, I’ve never seen it in colour and it looks like a photograph rather than a scan. Very interesting. It might be worth getting more detail from the seal if anyone has photo manipulating software?

JC

[agor95]

Hi had a quick look using GIMP.

The images in the post above are low resolution and shinny.

This makes using filters to bring out the embossment not practical.

Regards

[johannesbender]

well it is something like this .

and the originals:

https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/v ... 70615/121/

https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/v ... 70615/130/

https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/v ... 70615/157/

[daxwc]

Great job johannesbender. I would have thought the first letter would be a J in the 4 leaf clover.

[johannesbender]

Great job johannesbender. I would have thought the first letter would be a J in the 4 leaf clover.

i thought the same Daxwc , it might be one or the other J/I , i am also not so sure about that eye on top , it might be a crown or an old helmet type of thing , but it just seems like an eye form to me at this time.

my thinking is to search for a coat of arms or such looking like that.

[daxwc]

You are right about the JB. I wonder what dictates it which way you spell it?

[johannesbender]

giving a quick oppinion about it ,it is completely possible that it may just be latinized , the old latin alphabet having i/j interchangeable .

and also we need to remember the name itself has history dating back to the latin alphabet too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_alphabet

[johannesbender]

would you agree that may be mercury in the center ?
then there is what appears to be libra , if its libra it is associated with venus.

[Fletcher]

Doesn't the JEEO conform to what Oystein has said ?

i.e. JEEB where the B and O are transposed using the cipher ?

[daxwc]

JB:

would you agree that may be mercury in the center ?

Maybe; myself I thought it was Tarus with something under it. We really need to find an old German Astrology book he might have been using.

[daxwc]

https://www.behindthename.com/name/io10han/submitted


More on a thread here by Stewart:
https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/view ... nnes#63715

[daxwc]

Seems John Dee also used the name.


https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxhist=0

[johannesbender]

Doesn't the JEEO conform to what Oystein has said ?

i.e. JEEB where the B and O are transposed using the cipher ?

exactly , like JC determined bessler was transposed to orffyre , thats a fact we can agree on for sure.

Maybe; myself I thought it was Tarus with something under it. We really need to find an old German Astrology book he might have been using.

i researched via wikipidea and it seems 17 century falls under the modern symbols , but i have not dug deep enough to be sure because some signs dont look the same.

and it is possible that it may be taurus as you said , its a bit hard to tell.

i used an orrery to go back to 1712 and look at the 3 planets for a while.

i am not so sure the circle i drew to the left is the same as the right one too , the right side i feel positive about , so that may be the sun.

[daxwc]

Calendarium naturale magicum perpetuum profundissimam

http://www.shishigami.com/esotericart/Calendarium.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendari ... _Perpetuum

I have seen the bottom anchor and lines before on the seal, just can't remember where.