IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?

[George1]

Hi gravitationallychallenged,
A very interesting post! Please give us some time to consider it carefully.
Regards,

[George1]

Ok, we will not talk about money anymore. Let us try another approach.
1) Firstly," IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATRE THAN 1" must win public regognition and become an integral part of any standard textbook/manual of physics as quickly as possible. Besides our team (or at least one member of our team) must become a Nobel prize winner as this Nobel prize's money will used ENTIRELY for charity.
2) After realizing of previous item 1 we will release absolutely free the secret of our third invention (both theory and experiment) as well as the secrets of our next seven revolutionary and technology breakthrough inventions.
3) Thirdly, if the above item 1 is not realized successfully, then we will get back to the money-related variation, that is, the price of our third invention is $40,000,000 and this price will further rise in the nearest future.
4) In one word, the realization of the above item 1 is actually a test for the stage of mental development of humankind. If the above item 1 is not realized soon, then this means that human society in general and its intelectual and scientific elite in particular are still at a primitive stage of mental development as they cannot properly evaluate obvious truths and revolutionary technology breakthroughs.
5) So do your best to help realizing the above item 1 as quickly as possible. Otherwise the price of our third invention is $40,000,000 and this price will further rise in the nearest future.
Regards,

[George1]

Ok, we will not talk about money anymore. Let us try another approach.
1) Firstly," IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1" must win public recognition and become an integral part of any standard textbook/manual of physics as quickly as possible. Besides our team (or at least one member of our team) must become a Nobel prize winner as this Nobel prize's money will used ENTIRELY for charity.
2) After realizing of previous item 1 we will release absolutely free the secret of our third invention (both theory and experiment) as well as the secrets of our next seven revolutionary and technology breakthrough inventions.
3) Thirdly, if the above item 1 is not realized successfully, then we will get back to the money-related variation, that is, the price of our third invention is $40,000,000 and this price will further rise in the nearest future.
4) In one word, the realization of the above item 1 is actually a test for the stage of mental development of humankind. If the above item 1 is not realized soon, then this means that human society in general and its intelectual and scientific elite in particular are still at a primitive stage of mental development as they cannot properly evaluate obvious truths and revolutionary technology breakthroughs.
5) So do your best to help realizing the above item 1 as quickly as possible. Otherwise the price of our third invention is $40,000,000 and this price will further rise in the nearest future.
Regards,

[Robinhood46]

George 1,
I'm all for us being too stupid to see the truth until it is slapped in our faces.
The 4th article is a joke?
You don't even have the mental development to realise you are a pain in the butt.
RH

[George1]

To Robinhood46.
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Thank you for your post. But I did not understand what do you exactly mean. Would you be more specific, if possible?

[George1]

LET US PUSH FORWARD TOGETHER THE TECHNOLOGY PROGRESS!
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1) Firstly," IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1" must win public recognition and become an integral part of any standard textbook/manual of physics as quickly as possible. Besides our team (or at least one member of our team) must become a Nobel prize winner as this Nobel prize's money will used ENTIRELY for charity.
2) After realizing of previous item 1 we will release absolutely free the secret of our third invention (both theory and experiment) as well as the secrets of our next seven revolutionary and technology breakthrough inventions.
3) Thirdly, if the above item 1 is not realized successfully, then we will get back to the money-related variation, that is, the price of our third invention is $40,000,000 and this price will further rise in the nearest future.
4) In one word, the realization of the above item 1 is actually a test for the stage of mental development of humankind. If the above item 1 is not realized soon, then this means that human society in general and its intelectual and scientific elite in particular are still at a primitive stage of mental development as they cannot properly evaluate obvious truths and revolutionary technology breakthroughs.
5) So do your best to help realizing the above item 1 as quickly as possible. Otherwise the price of our third invention is $40,000,000 and this price will further rise in the nearest future.
Regards,

[George1]

LET US PUSH FORWARD TOGETHER THE TECHNOLOGY PROGRESS!
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1) Firstly," IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1" must win public recognition and become an integral part of any standard textbook/manual of physics as quickly as possible. Besides our team (or at least one member of our team) must become a Nobel prize winner as this Nobel prize's money will used ENTIRELY for charity.
2) After realizing of previous item 1 we will release absolutely free the secret of our third invention (both theory and experiment) as well as the secrets of our next seven revolutionary and technology breakthrough inventions.
3) Thirdly, if the above item 1 is not realized successfully, then we will get back to the money-related variation, that is, the price of our third invention is $40,000,000 and this price will further rise in the nearest future.
4) In one word, the realization of the above item 1 is actually a test for the stage of mental development of humankind. If the above item 1 is not realized soon, then this means that human society in general and its intelectual and scientific elite in particular are still at a primitive stage of mental development as they cannot properly evaluate obvious truths and revolutionary technology breakthroughs.
5) So do your best to help realizing the above item 1 as quickly as possible. Otherwise the price of our third invention is $40,000,000 and this price will further rise in the nearest future.

[George1]

Hi everyone,
It is really surprising that obvious scientific truths cannot gain popularity quickly and easily among the members of the official science community. Do you have an explanation of this absurd fact?
Anyway let us repeat again the text of our last post with some small corrections and additions.
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1) Firstly," IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1" must win public recognition and become an integral part of any standard textbook/manual of physics as quickly as possible. Besides our team (or at least one member of our team) must become a Nobel prize winner as this Nobel prize's money will used ENTIRELY for charity.
2) After realizing of previous item 1 we will release absolutely free the secret of our third invention (both theory and experiment) as well as the secrets of our next seven revolutionary and technology breakthrough inventions.
3) Thirdly, if the above item 1 is not realized successfully, then we will get back to the money-related variation, that is, the price of our third invention is ALREADY $50,000,000 and this price will further rise in the nearest future.
4) In one word, the realization of the above item 1 is actually a test for the stage of mental development of humankind. If the above item 1 is not realized soon, then this means that human society in general and its intelectual and scientific elite in particular are still at a primitive stage of mental development as they cannot properly evaluate obvious truths and revolutionary technology breakthroughs.
5) So do your best to help realizing the above item 1 as quickly as possible. Otherwise the price of our third invention is $50,000,000 and this price will further rise in the nearest future. (BUT PLEASE DO NOT THINK THAT WE ARE PATHOLOGICALLY GREEDY. ON THE CONTRARY! THE GREATER PART OF THESE $50,000,000 WILL BE USED FOR CHARITY AND ONLY A SMALL PART WILL BE USED FOR SOME R&D WORK.)
Regards,

[Robinhood46]

George 1,
Many of us here are impatient to see you get "actually banned". Although "needs to be banned" does give us a lot of hope, as with many processes, they take a lot more time than one would like.
If you would be good enough to start insulting us and the site for not listening to all your amazing posts, and not taking you seriously, this could help move things along a little quicker.
Throwing in a few swear words and some personal insults, that have nothing to do with PM, would be a very good idea. I have a big nose, i make frequent spelling mistakes and i have a weird sense of humour. So for me you have something to go on, for the others just make stuff up, it is of no importance.
Many of us are trying very hard to make it happen, with a little effort on your behalf, i'm sure it will possible to get you actually banned.
RH

[ME]

Have you read our correspondence with eccentrically1?

But George, we too had a fruitful "conversation" earlier.... and then you looped again in repetition.
Something is definitely broken!

Using Eccentrically1 as a wedge, let's see what he has to say:

How many more steps must we endure? I'm sure this is a waste of time. Once the experiment is in space, there aren't any means to initiate motion; it's effectively isolated from its environment. The zigzag concept is nullified.

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BUT PLEASE DO NOT THINK THAT WE ARE PATHOLOGICALLY GREEDY. ON THE CONTRARY! THE GREATER PART OF THESE $50,000,000 WILL BE USED FOR CHARITY AND ONLY A SMALL PART WILL BE USED FOR SOME R&D WORK.

Besides you hoping that repetition somehow makes good advertisement, we do think you are pathologically greedy.
What you basically say there is that you actually don't need that amount money to actually start doing some some of the neglected research.
Instead you intend to spend all that money on something that you consider 'charity' - minus the obvious "administrative overhead".

We need George2!

Perhaps not.

[agor95]

As a general rule after a person reached the rating 'Should be Banned' the person is banned.

However I think we should keep this as an example.

So place why you think this person should be ignored then place the person in your ignore list.

Then any one visiting the site will see how one should not behave.

Also if a person is falsely using the forum as a form of validation then they will find the entry.

Note. Members, ignoring this person will help your piece of mind - take control and stop being abused. For that is what it is.

Regards

[ME]

A good old fashion pillory of shame...
... is a one-way street!
... or is it a dead end?

Also if a person is falsely using the forum as a form of validation then they will find the entry.

But isn't the whole concept of a forum to provide a form of validation and cross-validation?

Also if a person is falsely using the forum as a form of validation then they will find the entry.

Most people don't see themselves as abuser let alone they'll scout the whole forum to find an entry that does.
Even when this entry is found, one's own concept is of course regarded as entirely different in comparison and surely brought with better intent.
I don't think a pillory of shame is preferable. I go with arguments.

Thus why is it not preferable: With some basic argumentation and fundamental scientific concepts you could declare this whole site a pillory...
Such would declare all PMM pursuit in any form and shape a wasteful effort.
And whaddayaknow, "them science community" indeed considers it as such.

We can fruitlessly 'we-them' all we want, but since polarization is a tool for the ignorant, I can simply resort to making an argument:
So I argue as a starting point, once again, that it's perfectly scientifically valid to do PMM research as a way to learn more about the behavior of mechanics, (re-)discover verifiable scientific principles and, more importantly, teaches self corrective thinking.

In that same line of thinking I think that with some effort we can pinpoint most of the BS in this topic and then attempt to explain and argue why that is the case.
Note. My previous post was not so much against George as a person but more showing the contradictions of his 'arguments'.

Nevertheless, it's still entirely possible that we all overlook the power of zig-zags.
I hope that maybe the repetition of his zig-zagging replies is some sort of clever hint.
But as-is I don't see it other than mere meaninglessness.

[agor95]

I agree in principle with your position in general.

However the thread owner is now on 'Should be Banned' in part because of repeated questions in add nauseum.
Then there is the issue of the Forums direction toward the a Bessler Solution.

Have you found anything from the thread's owner that relates to the Bessler Wheel Forums reason for existing.

Or are you changing the purpose of the Forum to a place for meaningless prattle,

All the Best

[ME]

What one might consider "meaningless brattle" is subjective.
I think that things become objectively meaningless when it can't be transformed anymore.

Have you found anything from the thread's owner that relates to the Bessler Wheel Forums reason for existing.

A "reactionless drive" points to an N3-violation (ask mrVibrating what that entails).

An N3-violation may, or may not be applicable to Bessler's wheel. If it actually should violate N3 is still something yet to be determined.
But a perpetual motion device, à la Bessler's, is actually an overunity-device. Bcause it has to overcome all kinds of frictions it should generate a force, perhaps additionally, from somewhere or nowhere to bring it up-to-speed, to keep it going, and to show-off additional work.
Bessler states somewhere that swinging is key. Zig-zagging might be an alternative way of swinging. Maybe there's a hidden feature in abruptly changing course?

So yeah, this subject has the potential of providing an alternative view on Bessler's wheel - which should always be welcomed.

[agor95]

Hi ME

I did think about "meaningless prattle" and it is subjective.

However when one perceives something without meaning on a first read.
Then I look at the members rating. Naturally yours would trigger me to study the post
for some time were a 'Should be Banned' leaves it as deems meaningless.

It's a perk for contributing rather than distracting members.

At the heart of a solution there needs to be inertial masses bouncing off each other in someway. Work being done by one mass losing momentum to another. Were the other has a reduce inertial mass during the interaction.

But that is another story.

All the Best