The ONE WORD that could give it ALL AWAY !

[eccentrically1]

If pendulums is the word, why can't anyone build a pendulum powered wheel?

[WaltzCee]

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WHAT could that ONE WORD be ? And WHY ?

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[thx4]

Hi thx4,
How do I get out of this? You're right a tennis ball hanging on a string won't do spit! The pends. mount to the wheel with directional bearings, swing out on the down side, drive the wheel down, release at bottom dead center, (back to balanced), then return to the top. Oddly enough, they do act like a small motor, a small gravity motor. If the wheel makes a complete turn CW, the pend. will make a complete turn CCW. This is over simplified but one pend. acting as a motor, can lift another one up.

Again, it's not just a weight on a string, it's pendulums, one way clutches, cams, cam followers, springs, and a gear or two thrown in for good measure-------------Sam

Sam, you're right I swept the pendulum a bit quickly, it's more a problem of words than of principle:
I'm explaining an engine I'm working on, you imagine (as Bessler says, the toys) a swing with a 10kg weight on one side and a 1kg weight on the other, for the swing to be in balance you'll need a big shift in board length...
Now if you imagine the top of a pendulum hitting the 1kg weight, it will lift the 10kg very easily... the motor is the descent of the 10kg weight, I let you imagine the rest.
The 1kg leaves the game for a while...
It should go a long way here and elsewhere. :)
A++

[Sam Peppiatt]

eccentrically 1,
That's a very good question. There are probably a lot of reasons for it. First of all I could be wrong. No one believes me, right? Also, I've thought about it a lot, I just don't know the answer as to why------------------------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

thx4, I'm sorry, you lost me, I'm not sure about the board, the swing, or the location of the pends.------------------------------------Sam

[agor95]

The word is OPENSOURCE

Regards

[Sam Peppiatt]

Agor95,
A joke? Is that all it is to you---------------a fucken joke---------------Sam

[agor95]

Agor95,
A joke? Is that all it is to you---------------a fucken joke---------------Sam

Also, I've thought about it a lot, I just don't know the answer as to why

Well the ONE WORD is not 'fucken' for sure.

I am looking at pendulums in detail and when I have anything worth posting it will be posted 'opensource' in this forum. not 1,000 time just once.

P.S. Fletcher's analysis that Bessler was being careful that he did not let slip the principle with ONE WORD sounds valid.

[eccentrically1]

eccentrically 1,
That's a very good question. There are probably a lot of reasons for it. First of all I could be wrong. No one believes me, right? Also, I've thought about it a lot, I just don't know the answer as to why------------------------------------Sam

I think if pendulums were the key to Besslers PM someone would have rediscovered it by now.

[agor95]

I think if pendulums were the key to Besslers PM someone would have rediscovered it by now.

I agree with your sentiment; However there are indirect effects that should be checked.

Regards

[eccentrically1]

If there were indirect effects that were key to PM someone would have rediscovered those as well.

If there was one word that might betray his wondrous achievement I would guess Luft, as in bellows or wind.

[MrTim]

Bessler said of his runner that he was concerned a buyer could want his money back after he had sold his wheel to them.

This is the killer sentence because it is so implausible, the customer who paid is the only one who has such a machine, how it works he doesn't care..

Well, I know I'm close to solving it, and if it turns out to be as simple as I believe it to be, I couldn't in good conscience sell it to anyone for a large amount of $$$, they would just be getting ripped off (especially after the design becomes known to everybody. So don't show up at my door with a briefcase full of cash... ;-)

p.s. The "secret word" isn't "pendulums"... ;-)

[Robinhood46]

I think mum's the word.

[Leafy]

I do suspect it is like "a slip of the tongue", not literally one word.

However, he did say that once he found the solution, and built a wheel that "turned a little", he didn't immediately build his working wheel. He also could see why all his other attempts failed.

Perhaps it took some time to work out how to simplify, build or amplify the principle of operation.

It also points to the principle being obviously different so the norm, ie most of MT. You can't just combine some MTs...

Every MT probably has an efficiency number. MT12 is 1.2, MT13 is 1.3 , MT14 is .9 ... Just because it is overunity doesn't mean it will run. You have to overcome overhead like friction. I think when the wheel turned a little, he has to find out exactly what make it OU and boost the efficiency to probably 2 or 5.

[killemaces]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensegrity