Besslers prime mover and its enabler.

[Roxaway59]

Hi thx4, if I take your meaning correctly you would like me to post any additional ideas now. Is that so?
Graham

[Tarsier79]

Not sure if it is just me. I don't understand the build you are currently on. Centrifugal force is going to invert the pendulum? So how are you going to turn CF on and off?

Some members believe this extra dimension can be collapsed down [projected] on to the X Y plains without any loss.

I think you are missing the point. The point isn't efficiency, it is that pure Z movement doesn't affect rotation and there are no resulting forces in the Z direction. Yes, most Z movement can be approximated in simulated X/Y. Go ahead, use Z if it makes things easier. Don't use Z because you think it has magical properties for PM.

[Roxaway59]

Hi agor95, I know that when it comes to solving this puzzle its dangerous to dismiss ideas because once you do that you may close the door on something important however small. I sometimes think about a basic wheel with nothing more than a bearing. The bearing has virtually no resistance then you remove all the air in the room. Your wearing a space suit of course because lets face it you don't want to upset health and safety. You then give the wheel a pretty good spin. Then you leave and a year later you come back and find that the wheel is still spinning nicely. Now what we do is we come along with the best mechanism we can muster and we place it on the wheel. We give it a spin and we go again. Now it seems to me that there always has to be this weird trade off between the wheel running smoothly like say an efficient oscillator and a certain amount of clunkiness that's got potential because of the clunky bits it has but lets face it, you wouldn't call it efficient. The oscillator type one if it has great bearings might stand a chance of still moving a bit but the other one you could have fried some sausages on it right before it stopped. So we always try to remove any impact from our device. This may be a mistake because impacts may be vital. We try and avoid them though even after having it hammered home to us time and time again that Besslers wheel sounded like a cement mixer. The way some witnesses describe it one could be forgiven for picturing the crowd all wearing modern day ear defenders yet time and again people worry about making a mechanism that emits noise because it takes some of the energy. Its obvious though that it isn’t really important because on a working device it has energy to give. The idea I have been talking about on this thread also has to make some noise which I don’t see as a bad thing because its necessary and the impact can be put to use by storing the energy in a spring then using that energy half a turn later to help overbalance the main weight or the yellow one. Mine of course is a 3d device which is another thing I like about it. I have done a lot of talking about it but now I have enough parts I will start putting it together tomorrow so I can finally start running experiments to see what works and what doesn’t. I plan on starting a YouTube account so I can post a link to video of how its going.
Graham

[Fletcher]

Good idea Graham ..

[agor95]

Hi Roxaway59

I have read your block of text. You have covered the major points spoken on this Forum in one paragraph.

Good Job.

I think you missed the point where Bessler's notes are designed to educate you too see the world from a different
perspective.

Good Luck at keeping out of the corners where you will find others.

Regards

[Roxaway59]

I’m continuing my build today but I just wanted to put one post up and cover something that merges two things that have been brought up. One is about Besslers clues in general and the other is something that agor95 brought up about seeing things differently. Firstly there is no doubt that Mr B left all kinds of clues wrote down. How we interpret them is down to us. If I give a hundred people a cryptic clue I may get a hundred answers. If the clue is referring to something already known about then there may be a kind of consensus on what the answer may be and that consensus could well be right. When the answer is about something that isn't known about I think that changes everything because now you really have to pick the people you are putting the question to very carefully. If you pick them very carefully you may get a consensus of opinion that is close to the answer. So what clues am I referring to? I’ve already mentioned about the toy pages and when I said that I wasn't just referring to just one page I was referring to two. The one that had the sketch of a similar mechanism to mine and the actual toy page. First look at the picture I have already posted near the bottom on page 7 of this thread. If you look at the mechanisms to the right you are looking straight down the length of the crossbar. Do you see any similarity to the toy page? These mechanisms can work independently with like a scissor action as you look down the crossbar. Does that remind you of anything on the toy page? If you look at my Avatar it has 5 sets of mechanisms all going gradually smaller. Does that remind you of anything on the toy page? I’m just think out loud that’s all. It may be nothing.
Graham

[agor95]

Hello Graham

It's good to see you are building a physical model.

You have asked a few questions like

So what clues am I referring to?
Do you see any similarity to the toy page?
Does that remind you of anything on the toy page?

And you finish with ; " I’m just think out loud that’s all. It may be nothing."

I have been cutting logs, building up my website, updating my private forum and going through my 2009 and on posts to see what
topics can be deleted. Plus working through a Blender 3.1 training course on youtube.

When I looked at the MT pages I was seeing how the dynamics of the masses moved.

The visual similarity to other devices was not my first priority.

I have noticed people who post from their mobile phones thumb their text in large blocks and ignore extras like
paragraphs, new lines etc.

Are you in that camp of posters?

Regards

[Roxaway59]

Hi agor95, I think this is just a little misunderstanding, immediately forgotten. I'm going to continue working on the build and I have a YouTube account I can use to show what I find.
Graham

[agor95]

I'm going to continue working on the build and I have a YouTube account I can use to show what I find.

Please do; I am looking forward to hearing more on your quest.

Regards

[spinner361]

Roxaway59, I think that agor95 was referring to breaking up your thoughts into paragraphs so it is easier to read and understand you.

[Roxaway59]

Thanks spinner361 I will try to make my text a bit clearer.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

Here is two short videos of my first test wheel turning clockwise and then anti-clockwise. The first swings all the way to about 10 o'clock and the other all the way to about 2 o'clock. The wheel I am building now I will be able to do a lot more with. I will keep you updated.
Graham

https://youtu.be/0-VlsUA06JM

https://youtu.be/kLXB_A4Zbyg

[agor95]

Roxaway59, I think that agor95 was referring to breaking up your thoughts into paragraphs so it is easier to read and understand you.

I must admit writing down clear thoughts is definitely does not come naturally to me either.

I think working though ideas on your own gets in the way of seeing the message from others point of view.

I find a memory map help to break the text and order it into paragraphs etc.

Or you can go right overboard and develop a totally radical presentation web server.

Regards

[agor95]

Here is two short videos of my first test wheel turning clockwise and then anti-clockwise.

Thank you for your presentations.

[agor95]

Gaining the ability to fabricate, present, simulate & communicate are useful skills.

I appreciate your fabrication is the beginning of things to come.

Regards