Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[JUBAT]

Im glad you're using springs Sam. The wheel has to use springs. That is another principle of perpetual motion I need to add to the list so that's the third one. You've got to bank the energy somehow so you can dwell in that special little area between potential and kinetic energy.

All the best to you.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Springs JUBAT? Now you tell me.
I had just decided not to use them. Now I have to do every thing all over again, yikes! No matter what I do, can't seam to get it right--------------Sam

Thanks JUBAT. thanks for your support.

[Sam Peppiatt]

I just realized some thing,
If the wheel turns CCW, so will the rollers, as well as the cross-bar, with respect to ground. But, since the rollers turn slower than the wheel the cross-bar lags behind and actually rotates CW with respect to the wheel. Won't that warp your gourd-------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

A new Idea,
Each cross-bar traces a perfect circle as the wheel turns. The idea is; to have each one turn a crank shaft. The two shafts would be connected to gether by roller chain. Then the heavy balanced rollers would drive the slave rollers. Advancing the phase to the slave rollers would give the wheel continuous torque, maybe----------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

The new concept,
The balanced rollers,(I refer to as the lifters), are like a rolling piston that reciprocates up and down. They will drive a crank shaft, which converts the downward force of gravity to a continuous rotational force, to the slave rollers, via the cross-bar. It's quite similar to the action of a piston and crank shaft in a gasoline engine.

Except I will have a split crank, or crank shaft. This will make it easer to cobble up and, to change the phase to the slave rollers. I.E., they will have to be advanced by some amount to keep a constant torque to the wheel-------------------------Sam

ETA, Since the force of the lifters is always on the crank pin, should or will, eliminate the need for a back stop clutch. With no back torque it can just go away.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Slave roller control,
Tight control of the slave rollers would be like a governor to control the speed of the wheel. This would be a good way to stop, (bull dogging it like a steer would be unacceptable), and start it and, provide forward and reverse rotation.

Maybe that's how Bessler did the bidirectional wheels. The crank pin or throw of the crank shaft, that drives the slave rollers, could slip backwards say 20 degrees or, (what ever amount required), to drive the wheel one way then, slip back the other way after the wheel changed direction. In other words, retarding the pin actually advances the action.

I'm not sure of that; will have try it and see if that's what will happen-------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Still no interest.
The most discouraging turn of events I could have ever imagined----------Sam

I expect a runner will receive the same fate.

[JUBAT]

Rules to live by on this forum:

1) No one cares unless you have a runner.
2) Don't rely on this forum to determine interest.

I first read about the Bessler Wheel when I was in primary school. I've never forgotten about it, but without internet I would have never pursued it. I give John Collins massive credit for finding Bessler's books and documentation in the German archives. Without his efforts, Bessler would have been largely forgotten (even worse than now).

Since you don't post any diagrams or pictures, it's awfully difficult to understand what you're doing. I applaud your efforts and for what it's worth, I got 2 orders of parts in the post yesterday in order to start the build my final wheel. I'm excited and burned out at the same time...it's weird. All I know is that when I finally got done drawing the schematic, I was staring at Bessler's dodecgram. That's when I got inspired to build.

Keep on keeping on with the rollers. There is hope there!

[johannesbender]

We are reading , I just don't have anything to say , atm I don't know exactly what you are doing , all I can say is GL.
@sam

[SHADOW]

Bonjour Sam,
Encore une idée saugrenue qui m'est passé par la tête:
Si contraindre les bras reliant les rouleaux ne fonctionne pas, peut on contraindre les anneaux?
J.B

Hi Sam,
Another crazy idea came to mind:
If constraining the arms connecting the rollers does not work, can the rings be constrained?
J.B

[SHADOW]

Exemple:
Example:

[Sam Peppiatt]

Had to get away for a while. Major changes / discovery's!!
The whole machine has reverted back, to of all things, translating pendulums and, how to reset them continuously. Which I was convinced had become a dead issue.

I added a crank and sprocket on the center line, which is driven by the heavy rollers cross-bar. There is another sprocket & crank, at 3 & 9. The throw of each are connected to a long bar with a heavy weight at each end. In effect two pendulums connected together. This replaces the old slave rollers cross-bar. The wheel rotates CCW.

The sprockets, bar, weights / pendulum rotate CW with respect to the wheel but, translate with respect to ground. I.E., they go around and around in a circle but, don't rotate. The two heavy rollers continuously hold / keep the pendulums swung to one side to provide constant torque to the wheel.

The heavy rollers do require a one way bearing / clutch----------------Sam

Right JUBAT, the runner syndrome. I'm starting to catch on. To reiterate, The pendulums turn the wheel and the heavy rollers do the resetting of them. It's not that difficult.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi SHADOW!!
NO, No, no, I think you have lost the sent. You have to circle back around and try to pick it up again----------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Correction,
The two pendulums can't be connected. They have to be separated because, the bar would rotate with the wheel-----------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

The ring & rollers, or more arcuately the very center of the cross-bar, provides a fixed point in space below the axel, as the wheel turns. An artificial ground if you will. This is exactly what is needed for the constant resetting of the pendulums, which can provide continuous torque to the wheel.

It's like they were made to order for each other. Yea I know, if it's not a runner, screw it----------Sam