Hypothesis .. Raising GPE without using Law of Levers ? ..

[daxwc]

AP: The Mobile would long since have been found if patient effort had not been such a vanishing rarity. Rarely does the doubter make discoveries, for he holds the Truth to be an impossibility. Just read the words of Mark:-

Mark: "All things are possible to him who shall believe."

So - go to it - discover the Perpetuum Mobile!

It is all over AP that Bessler attributes the perpetual motion discovery to God and to do such you have to believe it possible. It is the belief that triggers its existence.

[daxwc]

Drawing from quantum physics and the observer effect, it posits that collective consciousness and individual belief can influence reality. The quantum world has reopened esoteric and mystical ideas, suggesting that the world might not be just what we see physically. The fact that birds navigate to it proves the quatum world bleeds into our physical reality.

You may not like the idea but it is a real possibility and part of physics.

[Gregory]

OK .. just to walk it back a bit - I have a basic philosophy or logic framework about B's. runners that I keep to - I am sure they were legit .. I think they were just like any engine today - they needed fuel before they could accelerate and do Work - for me that in-situ replenishing fuel source had to be from its hard connection to the earth's surface i.e. the earth's rotation and wobble gave the runner some momentum which it used and outputted again as Work as well as keeping itself asymmetrically OOB - to have a 'superior' positive OOB ( MT15 says it shows this ) ( n.b. since gravity force is conservative ) then the lever-weights had to be lifted and given GPE and this is turn produced the asymmetric torque - but this lifting had to be quick/sudden ( aka in a flash ), and low or no cost .. this required the intervention of a pulsed Prime Mover structure or Prime Mover structures plural - these were located in the outer regions of the wheels ( all went around with the wheel ) and they took up plenty of space which is why his wheels got larger and larger etc - and from this freely available 'fuel source' and the Prime Mover pulsing the wheel the overbalance was able to grow ( i.e. a positive feedback loop was established that grew the imbalance ) - this makes them "dynamic" wheels and not the normal "passive" weight shifting wheels that fail ..

I'm not entirely sure, but I also believe that Bessler's wheel could be based on some real physics phenomena, it's just not discovered/understood yet. I agree that it needed some kind of fuel, but I think this fuel might be quite a different thing than the fuel sources we use and understand today. Is it related to inertia somehow? Or related to manipulation with multiple reference frames, or something else? Or is it more like a sequence of movements, a process you have to apply just in the right order to work?
A real mystery...

But personally I don't think Earth's rotation is involved. The angular velocity of Earth is only 0.000696 RPM, which is still a significant tangential speed at the radius. However, Earth's rotational speed doesn't really change day by day, or unimaginably tiny amount, tidal effects are very tiny for that. It changes on a longer timescale. But I don't know if an experiment ever attempted to measure a daily change by a precision device?

Hhmm... tidal effects, humidity and air pressure changes, like atmos clock? (But those things are also tiny)

Anyhoo .. the more dynamic and aggressive it's athleticism the more net positive torque was produced, and the quicker it accelerated from a standing start or small push etc ..

But here's the thing .. the thing why I am not sure a sim program will be able to simulate the mechanics - because as we saw with the Roberval and spring "variator", we put Energy into it - it conserved all the energy even tho the wheels system COM / COG was always located to the right of vertical from the axle - ok, we know it is a dynamic system with lots of moving parts which is hard to keep track of in our heads - but the sim says no extra energy is gained from the input of one-time only energy input i.e. no further energy was put into the system !

* Now, my horizontally shifted cart and swinger sims showed that pumping and dumping the carts with Energy ( f x d ) did NOT give any free lunches - Work Done ( f x d ) equaled the sum of total KE's ( KE1 + KE2 ) plus GPE gained by the swingers - zero sum game at best ..

However,, when the pump and dump input was from impulse sources ( f x t = m v ) then WEEP was violated imo, and the Summed Energy ( totaling KE1 + KE2 + GPE ) was greater than the WD ( f x d ) .. the key is that the pseudo fuel source had to come from a momentum / impulse source ( f x t ) and not from E = WD ( f x d ) ..

I believe your swinger cart experiment is really an interesting idea. I might go back some time later and play with the math myself... WEEP violation would be a pretty big deal...

* So why do I think wm2d and other sims may not be able to simulate these relationships and show a net wheel gain ? - because my sim lives in my laptop - it's frame of reference ( FOR ) is the screen " environment " - IF the true Energy source for a runner came from momentum from the earth connection then how can the program simulate that repeating input accurately from its artificial FOR ? - that's why I have my doubts about what it is showing / allowing, even tho the spring powered variator is Energy based ( not impulse or momentum f x t ), and there is no further 'replenishing pseudo fuel source' to keep the dynamism / excitation growing and gaining as a true runner did, imo ..

You're right with that. If Earth's rotation is anyhow included, then sim software will not be able to go there into the rabbit's hole.
But, if Earth's rotation is not a factor, like I believe... Then sim software will be still legit.

[Gregory]

A reflective moment ..

We have all been trying to reverse-engineer whatever mechanics B. used to build a runner - yet no one has managed to come up with the right combination, coordinated in the right way .. he was the first, and the one and only, so far - we know it can be done - it's what keeps us going ..

*** To focus I always try to ask myself .. what is the problem are we trying to solve ?

Right, great question to focus on! It's important to ask the right questions.

The problem to be solved imho... is either a free lift, a method to gain both momentum and energy, or a method to draw energy from "an unseen/invisible reservoir". Quite a challenge... approaching the impossible.

But it's certainly not about making the weights go somewhat further from the axle on one side and closer on the other. Bessler also mentioned about the futility and misunderstanding of this usual mindset... Meaning that potential energy (including GPE) is only a temporary storage, and not something else. Meaning that the real driving force which replenishes GPE has to be something else.

[Gregory]

Maybe my 90s could be used for pump and dumping.
Called the 90s since so much in it are 90 degrees in relation to each other.

Not a runner, but gets quite shaky in the last part, when i increase the mass.
Keep in mind, it is in a game, and not a perfect 3d simulator. While it does full 2 turns when starting the simulation, it do have a very favorable start, and it does not do 2 full turns when i increase the mass.

Still, quite shaky. If it works in the real world, nah. Not as good as in game i think.

The 90s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_dByDZdx3Q

Hey Kattla,

That's a really nice 3d simulation.
Did you do this in Unity, Godot, or Blender, or something else?

[daxwc]

A point of mass at the equator, on the Earth's surface moves at about roughly 1037 miles per hour, which is the tangential speed. Meanwhile, the Earth's angular velocity is about 0.000696 revolutions per minute, indicating how quickly the Earth rotates in terms of the angle it sweeps out per unit of time. So, while the tangential speed at the equator is high due to the large radius of the Earth, the angular velocity is low because the Earth takes a full day to complete one rotation.

So if one can figure out how to break the frame of reference in a moving car then that would be harvesting the cars momentum. Then you can figure out how to eliminate the car and harvest earth’s rotation.

So what would Fletcher’s Sim harvesting? Seems to be asymmetry in inertia

[johannesbender]

I am not sure where I got the notion that it came to him from God in a dream. Maybe I heard it from someone here.

Oh yeah, Bessler was a genius. I think that this will be quite apparent when the solution is presented. I am thinking that his name may be cleared.

Its something that people spread around on the web , you know the game you wisper a word in someones ear , then they do the same for the next person in the row , then the final person utters the word he was told but 90 percent of the time its the wrong words , thats how these things happen tend to happen .

And i also agree , i truely hope that his legend could be cleared from the fraudster dogma , i would take great joy in rubbing it some type of peoples faces .

[Kattla]

That's a really nice 3d simulation.
Did you do this in Unity, Godot, or Blender, or something else?

Thanks.

I do it in the game "Besiege". Not sure what 3d engine it uses.
I like it since it lets me test stuff in 3D instead of the the old 2d (drawings). And no, i don't consider it to be perfect , since after all it is just meant as a game, not a physics simulator.
It is just horrible for doing things like scissor lifts/storkbills. They just becomes too heavy.
For wheels, kinda ok, but compared to real life, it seems weights fall too slow , and with very little friction (it do have (air)drag i think) , stuff that swings sometimes seem to have a life on their own.

It did however let me make a runner, which also seemed to work in Algodoo, but not in the real world. I tested it twice, not working in the real world, but maybe three's the charm. Doubt it though. (And no, it's not in my videos).