I cant believe it took this long

[SKR]

It was waaaay simpler than we thought. No wonder bessler was paranoid.
I dont even have to build it. Once you see it, you know it has to work, just like Karl knew it worked when bessler told him. We have all been trying to force the weel to do what we wanted, not letting nature do what it wanted, thus I think the meaning of: 'greed is an evil root'. By the laws of nature, the design makes a weight lighter on the rising, and heavier on the falling side, with no need to 'force' anything, no need to 'overcome'.
Here are some of the secrets as I see them:

I beleive that AP is not one description of the entire wheel, it's 3 diffrent descriptions of the same thing, the 'motivator' within the wheel, each more.. wordy.
The window the window.. anyone else notice how in all of his pictures there is a window where the 'force' of the wheel exits, it's always the upper left window.. this buged the hell outta me for a long time. It's where power starts to be generated (in a clockwise rotation).
I belive the wheel uses 3 principle forces of gravity for operation, thus the 'everything belongs to one of three kingdoms' and the whole 13 thing, the 3 times repetition in AP, and the 3 defending paragraphs that follow.

As soon as you see the design, you know how and why it works, then you can start to see the clues. Once I get some stuff done, I'll show ya what MT's to look at, and how to see what ya need to look for. I would like to show everyone how this works right away, but I dont want any pattent issues. Once the pattent is pending I'll post info. I havent even had to draw it to 'see' if there was negitive impulse. It only generates positive torque, the amount is dependant on the size of the wheel, and to a lesser degree, how much weight is on the 'motivator'.
I'll go build it this weekend to make sure. I have to build a 'real' one as my prototype keeps breaking after a few (5-17ish) turns.

Regards,

Steven Kane Richards
Student of Johann Ernst Elias Bessler, aka 'Orffyreus'

[ovyyus]

I dont even have to build it...

Funny :D

Good luck anyway.

[KAS]

I hope you are right Steven.

I am getting awful déjà vu with this post though.

Kas

[AB Hammer]

@Steven

Just a questions.

Did it start on its own or did you have to start it?

And a bit of warning. I was fooled by a fluke that could not be repeated from a flimsy model and it ran estimated for about 10 minutes. So be careful and make sure you have it.

[FunWithGravity]

IS it the time of the year or does this happen ALL the time. seems like they are coming out of the woodwork. ?

Secrets secrets, boy they sure are all very entertaining. I am on the way to a notary today to see if she can stamp my hand, to verify all the ideas i have that i think will work in my head that i haven't yet tried just so their are no patent issues.


Alan, can i buy the fluke, i think i would have gone insane if that had happened to me :). Must have been fun to watch.

[FunWithGravity]

also, my working whel doesn't conform to ANY of besslers clues, should i be scared.
Just kidding

[AB Hammer]

FunWithGravity

Alan, can i buy the fluke, i think i would have gone insane if that had happened to me :). Must have been fun to watch.

If you want to learn more about it go to http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2171

Then you can read about some of my first errors. I have learned from then.

[F.Nepure]

I see no reason to taunt Steven over his potential discovery. He's not asking anyone for funding towards his scheme [as many do] - so i say Good Luck! Please keep us informed of your progress.

[evgwheel]

F.Nepure
I agree, we all had moments, that we fully believed we had that “Eureka� moment. It is like sex, the first time it happens it stays with you for some time and the experience is mind blowing. After a while it is just one of those things that happen now and then and we may not even follow through on them. It is rather sad that we try to rob newbies from their climax.

[AB Hammer]

@F.Nepure

I see no reason to taunt Steven over his potential discovery. He's not asking anyone for funding towards his scheme [as many do] - so i say Good Luck! Please keep us informed of your progress.

The truth is I hope he has done it, in one hand and I'll have a rag for my tear in the other hand. ;) Good luck Steven

I just remember the disappointment when mine could not be duplicated to run, and I don't want anyone to go through that, or at least soften the possible disappointment.

[Fletcher]

I don't think anyone is taunting Steven - he has laid out his course of action & I applaud him for that - we have had many propose similar ideals & timelines only to be still waiting, so a certain amount of jaundice sets in.

Everyone evg is entitled to their climax but lets hope it's not premature otherwise certain parties can get a tad frustrated ;) - that's why some here with potentially feasible ideas would prefer to do a POP build first before raising expectations to far.

hey, 5-17 revolutions sounds ok to me before the prototype busts but if Steven wants to build it bigger & better that could also be enlightening in itself.

Good luck to him - I'd like someone to finally solve this riddle.

[FunWithGravity]

Not to speak for everyone but what i think would be nice and good manner for this type of post is to give away non essential details that makes it obvoius that they aren't working on a similar idea as me.

How many weights.

Springs or no.

levers or no.

Lands on warped boards or no.

pulleys

ropes

Just something that they feel they aren't giving it away but makes me feel like we are on different paths. if he says 8 weights and i use 42 then we are on differnent paths.

If he says he's using pendulums and i'm using oranges then we aren't working on the same thing and hiom saying eight weights isn't giving out any secrets.

If he says cf plays a big role and i'm using wind them we aren't on the same path.

If he says wights are connected with ropes, and i have none then we are off on differnt paths.


I cannot change the way everyone acts,but it is a suggestion. I guess we shall see. His post did force me to do something i had been planning on for a while. Writing down recent findings and getting it notorized by a local lawyer. I'm not sure i'm going to patent. But i would be nice to have proof for the grand kids that i was there. LOL

Day late and a dollar short. LOL meant in good fun.

of to work on the second working wheel

[racer270]

lets see he joined on the April 28th ,
made his first and only post on April 29th.

from pool-71-106-5-8.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net

and you think he knows it all , and is going to prove it.....??

please...just MHO...;D

[RRRRyan]

OLT - BTW, reading posts like this really makes me feel silly about the way I introduced myself to you guys. Speaking riddles and trying to sound like the owner of some great mystery. If I find something so obvious as this latest one I will let you know immediately without any double talk. That is assuming I have not promised otherwise. Though if I do promise otherwise I will insist to the secret keeper that this is too important to keep secret for even a minute longer than it must be. I still stand by my claim anything but immediate free release of the information is just insane after the lesson Bessler has taught us.

I bet he has some weights connecting from 7:00 - 1:00 across to the other side on springs... oh wait, that's mine. Shux. Well, it still seems like it should work.

[ovyyus]

...reading posts like this really makes me feel silly about the way I introduced myself to you guys. Speaking riddles and trying to sound like the owner of some great mystery...

On the contrary, the quantity of the riddles is usually proportional to the level of the bullshit - it's actually a very useful guide :D