Just on an impulse ...

[Mak#1]

I think Greendoor is talking about something very different, He said it was like a newtons cradle BUT at a 45 degree angle slanting upwards.?

[hansvonlieven]

G’day Michael,

The main reference I am using is Bourbaki’s paper called “Die Fehler der Newtonschen Mechanik und ihre Folgen� (Mistakes in Newtonesque mechanics and their consequences) Unfortunately the paper is in German. You can see the paper at:
http://www.bourbaki.de/a10.htm

He cites the following sources as substantiation and describes a number of experiments performed by him. The paper appears to be fairly authoritative

Quellennachweis
[1] Tony Rothmann "Irreversible Differences", in The Sciences, New York, Jul./Aug. 1997, S. 26-31.
[2] Joel L. Lebowitz "The Arrow of Time", in The Sciences, New York, Jan./Feb. 1998, S. 47/48.
[3] D. L. Goodstein "States of Matter", N.Y. 1974.
[4] Ernst Peter Fischer "Einstein & Co.", Piper 1955, S. 62.
[5] Fedrico Di Trocchio "Der Große Schwindel. Betrug und Fäschung in der Wissenschaft", Campus-Verlag 1994, S. 29.
[6] Richard S. Westfall "Newton and the Fudge Factor", in Science 179, S. 751-758, 1973.
[7] William Broad und Nicolas Wade "Betrug und Täuschung in der Wissenschaft", Birkhäuser Verlag 1984, S. 29.
[8] Wilhelm H. Westphal "Physik", Berlin 1953, S. 38/39.
[9] Siehe beispielsweise Isaac Newton "Mathematische Grundlagen der Naturphilosophie", Reihe Philosophische Bibliothek, Bd. 394, Hamburg 1988, S. 37 und 60.
[10] Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz, Zeitschrift "Acta Eruditorium", 1682.
[11] Samuel Clarke "Der Briefwechsel mit G. W. Leibniz von 1715/1716", Hg. Ed Dellian, in Philosophische Bibliothek, Band 423, Felix Meiner Verlag, Hamburg 1990.
[12] Wilhelm H. Westphal "Physik", Berlin 1953, S. 56/57.
[13] F. Herrmann und P. Schmälzle "Simple explanation of a wellknwon collision experiment" in American Journal of Physics, Vol 49, Nr. 8, Aug. 1981, S. 761-764.
[14] F. Herrmann und M. Seitz "Now does the ball-chain work?" in American Journal of Physics, Vol 50 Nr. 11, Nov. 1982, S. 977-981.
[15] Offenlegungsschrift DE 19 632 828 A1 vom 19.2.98 mit der Bezeichnung "Stoßenergiewandler".
[16] James D. Kerwin "Velocity, Momentum and Energy Transmissions in Chain Collisions" in American Journal of Physics, Vol 40, Aug. 1972, S. 1152-1157.
[17] Wilhelm H. Westphal "Physik", Berlin 1953, S. 82/83.
[18] Wilhelm H. Westphal "Physik", Berlin 1953, S. 92.
[19] Siehe beispielsweise Isaac Newton "Mathematische Grundlagen der Naturphilosophie", Reihe Philosophische Bibliothek, Bd. 394, Hamburg 1988, S. 37-60.
[20] Brockhaus Enzyklopädie, Wiesbaden 1968, Band 5, S. 567.
[21] Wilhelm H. Westphal "Physik", Berlin 1953, S. 268/269.
[22] K.G. und J.S. Denbigh "Entropy in Relation to Incomplete Knolledge", Cambridge 1958, S. 107.
[23] Handbook of Physical Quantities, Hg. Igor S. Grigoriev und Eugenii Z. Meilikhov, CRC-Press 1997, S. 256.
[24] Patentanmeldung P 198 43 150.3 vom 21.9.1998 mit der Bezeichnung "Vorrichtung zur Widerlegung des Zweiten Hauptsatzes der Thermodynamik".
[25] Wolfgang Bürger "Klick-Klack. Das Geheimnis der schwingenden Stahlkugeln" in Zeitschrift Bild der Wissenschaft 11/1997, S. 100/101 unter der Rubrik "Professor Bürgers Kabinet".
[26] Wolfgang Bürger "Das Geheimnis des Bohrhammers. Wenn ungleiche Kugeln sich stoßen" in Zeischrift Bild der Wissenschaft 5/1998 S. 100/101 unter der Rubrik "Professor Bürgers Kabinet".
[27] Offenlegungsschrift DE 198 01 794 A1 vom 19.01.1998 mit der Bezeichnung "Vorrichtung zur Bestimmung der Geschwindigkeitsverteilung von Gasen und Gasgemischen".

Hans von Lieven

[greendoor]

I think Greendoor is talking about something very different, He said it was like a newtons cradle BUT at a 45 degree angle slanting upwards.?

I was just using that as a stepping-stone thought-experiment to the idea of a vertical stack of balls ...

http://www.astrosa.com/jan/default.htm takes this thought to it's natural conclusion - and i think there could be something in it.

I tend to think that impact/impulse is rather noisy and wasteful, and I don't think this is what Bessler used. I think he found some other way of getting balls to rise extremely efficiently, and somehow exploiting a loophole in physics as currently understood. This leads me to my next idea, which is related to Peacock tails so i'll post in the new Peacock tail thread ...

[DrWhat]

Thanks to Stewart we have the translation "it BOASTS like a peacock's tail", which may imply no physical characteristic relating to a peacock at all! Just the fact that it was impressive.

But kudos for nutting this out Greendoor and looking at build options in the other thread.