United States Patent Application 20080011552

[WaltzCee]

This application has parts that look familiar but there's no mention of prior art.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0011552.html

It was published about a year after it was filed.

Publication Date: 01/17/2008
Inventors: La Perle, Stephen Raoul (Bakersfield, CA, US)


Has anyone seen this? Is the search over?



Walt

There are 36 pages of mind numbing reading.

[rlortie]

Yes I have seen it, not new by any means. Some where on the net there is red and green drawing of it. I am sure I have the home page of the author bookmarked but I have a lot of undefined bookmarks.

Ralph

[WaltzCee]

I've looked at it as well as I can. The principle seems to be:

35. The method according to claim 26, wherein said force transfer means is configured to generally group two or more of said first swingarm sets together in said drop zone and generally spread two or more of said first swingarm sets apart in said lift zone to increase the rotational torque in said drop zone relative to said lift zone.

It isn't too clear what is going to cause the changes in the "lift" and "drop" zones.

If someone could come up with a means to cause those changes and build it would this application have any legal claim on that?

I wonder if they have a working model.


Walt

[broli]

And what's so special about this one? You don't have to be a Besslerian to know the flaws of this.

[jim_mich]

Ralph, this patent application is different from the red and green drawing that you are thinking of, for this one has the arms moving closer and farther apart as it rotates.

I don't think this will work because of the usual: "It takes the same energy to lift a weight as the weight produces when falling." The weight has a lot of torque when falling but it falls very slowly. Then it has much less torque when rising but it must rises very fast. These always balance out in machines like this. Unless the inventor have come up with some means to get around this fact the wheel would be expected to not work.

[AB Hammer]

Gravity powered rotational machine and method

16 pages of description. It looks like he is trying to patent all possibilities as well.


Edit;
It also has 20 drawings with other veneration.

[rlortie]

JIM,

I agree that the design of the egg shaped track on this one does differ slightly in shape from the red and green depiction.

Due to that fact I feel that this one has less chance of working than the original version which also does not work.

And to the 'newbies' remember, this is an application, not a patent.

Ralph

[jim_mich]

Ralph, the big difference with this one is that the arms are not fixed, they move closer and farther apart as it rotates. The rainforest wheel had rigid arms.

[WaltzCee]

This is a remarkable design as the best of slurians should be able to see. One notable idea is the newness of the application.

I would describe AB Hammer's observation of "It looks like he is trying to patent all possibilities as well" as "an attempt to patent Archimedes's work "

It isn't clear how the compression on the right side of the drawing happens but what I just noticed is this is a bent lever arm pitting effort at 90 degrees against work at 180 degrees. Phase shifting or time warping.

The center of mass on the left is directly under the axle but every moment it moves appears to be into a wall.

The accumlative frictions are a lot of work to overcome.

I wonder if they've built this. How could that be known?

[WaltzCee]

In my opinion this is the most complicated pendulum I've ever seen. Until I can figure out where the energy is coming from to cause the compression at 90 degrees I don't know if it would work.

My guess is it won't work. It seems like it's being driven by the instantaneous use of any work produced. This isn't a self-sustaining design.

The frictions are immense.

[Jim Williams]

Don't be too surprized if the patent is granted that the Patent Office required that working model. If the inventor has a working model he is home free for more than a patent.

[DrWhat]

USPTO link

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Par ... 0080011552

Download the usual image viewer here

http://www.internetiff.com/

Click on FREE on the LHS

[DrWhat]

Well, first of all it is not Bessler. With Bessler's "everything must turn. Nothing stays stationary on the axle".

[AB Hammer]

I have scoured the internet and there is no trace of it ever haven been built. Only a claim. I find it funny that most of these type patent attempt, and no builds all come from California.

[rlortie]

Jim_Mich,

Thanks for bringing up my missing link and the refresher on the rigid arms.

IMO rigid or pivoted its like an overlay with the same results found in any of the first MT drawings.

Ralph