Bessler Wheel Theory --Part 20

[Patrick]

Hi Bill;
These diagrams were drawn quickly and roughly to explain a general concept. I guess I 'll have to make them more detailed/realistic in the future. Thanks for the feedback.
--Patrick

[jupter]

i always enjoy your posts patrick
I. M. O.
any post with movement threw center makes the wheels in my head spin
i love it!!
this is kind of like looking at mt 135
also 70 /72 / 73/
anyway if these or something like this was( inside) the axial
i think of what it could do ( outside)
(push/ pull/ lodge/ let go / tighten spring/ let go of spring/ on and on )
anyway you got me thinking again
jupter

[bluesgtr44]

Hey Patrick, it doesn't seem to make sense pulling both away....wouldn't you really want to just lose the "peg" on the downward side so the weight assembly could apply itself on that side? Pulling both back out of the way would make the whole thing drop and that doesn't seem to be the way to go.....unless I am misunderstanding your design.


Steve

[Patrick]

Hi Steve;
Yes, definitely the intent would be to have the pegs move out or swing away sequentially. As each peg drops away one at a time you would have a desired effect.

Hi Jupter;
Thanks for the comments!
I certainly agree it is interesting to see Bessler use a 'mass through the centre' concept starting at MT70; then he doubles up the effect in MT71. Also in MT72 it looks like there is almost like a roller bearing at the back. Lastly in MT 73 to 75 it appears he is implementing different inputs to facilitate the mass transfer (73 and 74 with collapsible ends and MT75 with pulleys).
Now consider, if you superimpose/morph the toy page mechanism (the portion that looks like a movable parallelogram) onto MT71 or MT74 I wonder what might happen? hmmm......
"taking the various illustrations together and combining them with a discerning mind, it will indeed be possible to look for a movement and, finally to find one in them'"
I wonder what this 'movement' might be that Bessler was referring to?
--Patrick

[bluesgtr44]

Hey Patrick....I kind of get the impression that you're wanting to move the fulcrum, not actually try to move the weight. So, how much of a fulcrum shift would be needed to achieve a good amount of off-balance? If this is even possible. Now, if this isn't what you were thinking....

oops...:-(


Steve

[ruggerodk]

Hi Patrick

I'm I wrong...or doesn't the MT75 looks like a cylindar and a piston?
I believe the piston are stationary and the Cylindar moving up and down.

BTW: Good document download
Regards
Ruggero..;-)

[Patrick]

Hi Steve;
Yes, a small change/shift in location of the fulcrum would certainly cause the weight to move. I think this is where I will focus my efforts for the next/current small prototype I am building.

Hi Ruggero;
Thanks for the positive feedback- I agree it does look like a cylinder and piston. Seems like a lot of Bessler's drawings can have more than one interpretation depending on how you look at it.

[Patrick]

I've had someone ask me, "What do you mean by having mass pass through the axis?" So I loaded a video to show the prototype. Here you can see the axle is attched only on both sides to a plexiglass disk. This allows any internal weights to pass freely through the mid point of the wheel. I am hoping to load a second video that shows the wheel rotating while covered and then a third video that shows the weights attached but covered with a cloth in the middle. I am guessing if Bessler covered his weights; maybe he was covering the attachment and not necessarily the weights themselves. My weights are simply round so there is nothing to hide. Please see linked video to get an idea of the basic setup. This setup would also allow for translocation to show the bearings etc. I guess I would need an additional video for that. I am thinking that more and more clues seem to make sense. In fact when Bessler's says" you may as well have an empty wheel (ie; start with an empty wheel)" he is actually giving a clue to the solution!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JizR2Bxfb_U

--Patrick[/url]

[bluesgtr44]

Nice work, Patrick! I think Bessler also noted that his axle was solid all the way through....it had some piercings and some "compartments" in it, not sure what that really means. I have wondered if the piercings were where the lines went through and connected to some weights and as the were pulled towards the axle they were able to lay in these so called "compartments" so as to negate their effect to the lowest level he could achieve. So, if this was the case, he coud have tried it the way you are doing. Again, very nice build!


Steve

[AB Hammer]

Patrick


Nice wood work, and a very good frame design.

[DrWhat]

Nice looking wheel, very impressive. I like the "invisible" axle too.

[Patrick]

I think Bessler also noted that his axle was solid all the way through....

Hi Steve;
I think you meant to say, "I think Bessler also noted that his axle was not solid all the way through. If so, then yes, I agree....this allows for the possibility.

Thank you for the encouraging words... although I make the plans I must give credit to my retired neighbour for the actual grunt work. He loves to putter in his shop and thinks I'm nuts so we make a good team!

[DrWhat]

Patrick, just for the record and before you become too famous, I've been working with open axles since the start of my endeavours. See image.

[AB Hammer]

Good work Damian

It looks like a rod slide unit to me. Well I am still using axles on most of what I am doing. :)

[DrWhat]

Get with the times Alan, axles are so "yesterday"! (only jesting!)

Thanks Alan. It was my very first build two years ago, but is by no means shown finished here. It is not a simple as it seems.



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