Big fall ,smooth jump...

[iacob alex]

...is the next open suggestion,for the only one problem of a possible PM.

You can find it at: www.evert.de/eft370e.htm

Prof. Evert made the first step:a new kind of the switching procedure( short arm into a long arm and back).

To amplify,sensitize his interesting proposal,we need some more steps...the next is yours.

All the Best ! / Alex

[iacob alex]

Hi !

Regarding the "smooth" term of this new topic,I see it as a new kind of "jump" procedure ( switching short arm into a long one and back).

To be more explanatory,you can take a look "deeper" at this site :

www.evert.de/eft730e.htm

As I see the things,the one and the only problem of a possible PM is this "arm switch".

If you can find this self-switch motion...you have the gravity power,and the details (shape,number of arms...),become of minor importance.

If you have in sight the "history" of this elementary motion-problem,you can see better the main "difficulty" of PM,and maybe,you can add...your own "inspiration",as in an lottery game.

Without the long experience of this provocative puzzle,we can fall down easy the reality into ...science fiction,or a permanent mental illusion-delusion swinging.

Prof. Evert can be an excellent trainer for people interested to develop their own opinion about this knotty point of our "savoir-faire"settlement with the real world : PM as an energy liberator.

All the Best! / Alex

[Grimer]

...is the next open suggestion,for the only one problem of a possible PM.

You can find it at: www.evert.de/eft370e.htm

Prof. Evert made the first step:a new kind of the switching procedure( short arm into a long arm and back).

To amplify,sensitize his interesting proposal,we need some more steps...the next is yours.

All the Best ! / Alex

There's an article by Prof. Evert in the archives if you're interested.
It's dated 26 April 2002.

[iacob alex]

Hi Grimer!

Sometimes,less is more..

This is the relation between two of Prof. Evert's articles:

-"Pendulum wheel''/8 april 2002

-"Impulse-principle and centripetalpowerspider/26 april 2002

One of them is "less" and so, a possible starting point for "more".

Usually,the inspiration of "less" is not easy discernible at the beginning,but is the only way accessible for more people.

All the best! / Alex

[iacob alex]

.....you can understand more explicitly,if you take a short look at :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCH8kNCZ ... re=related

Now,you can "copy" the reality...

All the best! / Alex

[Tarsier79]

notice the energy input.... you keep showing random things that remotely look like wheels, but MT already supplies us with wheel-like mechanisms that need energy input to spontaneously revolve. What are we supposed to take from this video?

[Grimer]

http://www.evert.de/eft730e.htm

Sounds good to me - and very much on the right track.

Thanks for digging that one up, Iacob.

As Evert says:

"So Bessler-Problem is solved practically "

and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he turns out to be correct.

[iacob alex]

Hi Tarsier!

Gravity field is a natural accelerator....we are living inside.

If so,you can take advantage of this circumstance.

Remember the simplicity of an electronic amplifier:input-tube-output-feedback.

Don't care about the power supply:it's gravity "flow"/fall (Wp into KE).

In the nature,some "spare parts" of the PM concept are unvisible:this is the charm of Cosmos.

In an amplifier/accelerator it's a simple rule:no input gives no output.

Anyway,we need an input,the output (momentum/m*v) is greater and "free".

Prof.Evert,ten years ago proposed on paper a "Pendulum Wheel".

He build a simplified "wheel":a two spokes arrangement with a new switching procedure (short arm into long arm and back) with an asymmetric hanging .

Anyway,it's new and interesting proposal...

...but redundant,sorry:the "Wheel of Death" is played sometimes by a single acrobal(equivalent of a single to and fro mass on the arm/the "classic" short arm -long arm PM "folklore").

About the size...here is a new discussion :Evert vs. Circus(artist)=0-2



All the best! / Alex

[jim_mich]

From Evert website...


I conceived the same idea a few years ago. I built it and it does not work. Its main problem is the weights do not swing nice and smooth as anticipated. Even if you could get the weights to behave themselves, it still does not seem to work. CF mucks thing up.

[Grimer]

From Evert website...


I conceived the same idea a few years ago. I built it and it does not work. Its main problem is the weights do not swing nice and smooth as anticipated. Even if you could get the weights to behave themselves, it still does not seem to work. CF mucks thing up.

Interested to hear the account of your build, Jim.

The question that interests me is the theoretical one, i.e. would it work if one could overcome the practical difficulties? If it would then the Point of Principle is proved, in theory. This means that one can look around for a different way of achieving the same result.

I was thinking of something similar with respect to that swing picture illustrating Stevenson's poem. The swing is a much simpler but an equivalent 3 pendulum system. I dismissed the idea too hastily and I may revisit it sometime.

On the question of simplicity it seems to me that Evert's set up is unnecessarily complicated. One should be able to reduce the pendulums to no more than three at the most. Shades of the famous Bessler diagram.

In the meanwhile I'll press on with the twin pendulum arrangement. I hope even my limited practical skills can bring it to a point where PoP is proven.

Edit: I see that further down the page Evert does reduce the numbere of units to three.

[Tarsier79]

Remember the simplicity of an electronic amplifier:input-tube-output-feedback.

I am an electronics technician. There is nothing magical about an amplifier, valve or transistor. You have a usable power source, and you have a certain amount of Power available (V x A). If you compare this to gravity you have a certain PE available (M x G x H).

Gravity flow? Do you mean like Grimers nonsensical gravitational wind? : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nonsensical

[Grimer]

"I am an electronics technician. ..."

That's the trouble with technicians - incapable of thinking outside the box.

[Tarsier79]

Outside the box?

I have an Idea grimer. Just get a bucket, and collect some gravity, then you can tip it over one side of the wheel and get it to turn. You could make the bucket tip itself when it fills up with gravity, due to the gravity COM rising. Then you could use the wheel to power a magical valve amplifier, which could at least double your power output with the correct design.

There is a difference between outside the box and and a drug induced fantasy land.

[Grimer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBHdZj-q ... ure=fvwrel