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De retour de vacance!!!
La roue cerceau est en montage et essais, problème d'équilibrage, pas très optimiste sur le résultat
Ma dernière facétie en pièces jointes
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https://youtu.be/94XdVf0hy4Y
Back from vacation!!!
The hoop wheel is in assembly and testing, balancing problem, not very optimistic about the result
My last facet in attachments
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Does it move CCW? How are you lifting up the weight at the top to the 90 degree shape?
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J'essai de poster une video sur yutub.
Tout fonctionne par gravité et la roue accélère au fur et à mesure de la rotation.
vous devriez instaler Algodoo sur votre PC pour visualiser.
Le principe reste à optimiser et a essayer par construction.
à moins que se ne soit une farce du logiciel!!!!
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I’m trying to post a video on yutub.
Everything works by gravity and the wheel accelerates as it rotates.
You should install Algodoo on your PC to view.
The principle remains to be optimised and tried by construction.
Unless it’s a software joke!!!!
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Shadow,
I found it was vibrating when i hit play, and then turned all collision layers off and only gave the arm that contacts the two stops on the wheel , and the two stops, a collision layer, and it run much better.
Stopping the wheel with the mechanism at 3 o'clock was very interesting. After placing a bearing, to eliminate any momentum, and then releasing the bearing it swings back and forth through 6 o'clock progressively gaining height until it goes over the top and then continues to accelerate indefinitely. Or until the programme plays up and everything goes mad.
Did you need a lot of fine tuning with different weights and arm lengths to achieve this, or was it relatively easy?
Have you tried with springs to control the movement?
I can post a video for you on YouTube if you wish. Or send you a video mp4 by email, if that is your problem.
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Robinhood,
C'est un premier jet à améliorer.
le premier lancement sur Algodoo a accéléré indéfiniment, donc pas crédible.
J'ai fait une vidéo, mais si la votre est meilleure, partagez ici.
Je ne maitrise pas encore toutes les ficelles du logiciel
J.B

This is a first draft to improve.
the first launch on Algodoo accelerated indefinitely, so not credible.
I made a video, but if yours is better, share it here.
I still don’t know all the tricks of the software
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J'avais joint la video, elle a disparu ????

I attached the video, it’s gone??

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Elle a revenu, regarde la vite avant qu'elle repart.
Have you tried starting the simulation with the weights at three? If so does it climb higher progressively and then go over for you too?
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Looking at the video , there seems to be a collision issue , the rebound of the collision is out of control , Coefficient of restitution.
No material has that type of Coefficient of restitution after a collision , ie. perfectly elastic collision.
Its all relative.
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Once i opened the file i was able to play with it as if it was my own project.
There is effectively a collision problem between the weights arms and the weights. They are continuously trying to get away from each other, which causes the vibrating.
Once the collision layers eliminated it still shows a net gain.
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I think that could be one of Bessler's wheel. You did it! It's nice that someone other than me made a working Bessler's wheel design. The shape of the movement of the weights is the same as my infinite leverage design that can destroy a planet only mine has a different set of mechanical arrangements that can apply infinitely to a gear train. Because of the similarities I am confident that would work as you simulate it to. Like how my spring lever design ultimately led to something similar to Egyptian Engineer Yahweh crowbar dolly gears to add force to a wheel. Perpetual motion machines have their parallel counterparts. Enter the new age of perpetual motion machines!
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Here is a video of Shadows wheel.
You can see that i correct the collision layer problem. then show it accelerating as Shadow explains, i then set it running at the 3 o'clock position and it progressively gains height and finally makes it over the top. I have done this numerous times and it always goes over anticlockwise, never clockwise.
Shadow, i have sent a private message with my phone number, if you want any help with Algodoo don't hesitate to give me a ring. It is a lot easier to explain things verbally than with messages. My French is plenty good enough to not have to worry about the language barrier.
https://youtu.be/Qzpp0syhW0U
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Merci Robinhood pour le relais.
La fin d la vidéo montre qu'il faut faire un modèle physique carAlgodoo fini par perdre la boule.
J.B

Thank you Robinhood for the relay.
The end of the video shows that it is necessary to make a physical model carAlgodoo ended up losing the ball.
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Grazie infinite Ombra; fantastico!! grazie anche per le ZIP ; non so ancora usare il programma perché l'ho appena scaricato ma posso mediante le Zip visualizzare la rotazione e il cambiamento di posizione; sarebbe utile per chi come me vorrebbe costruirlo fisicamente avere le dimensioni del meccanismo.
Grazie ancora da Bruno.
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Bruno,
Once you have the programme you can get all the information you need.
Here is a short video of Shadow's wheel, which i have made a few modifications to, to show you how.
https://youtu.be/E59aA4zLix8
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Bruno,
La Shadow's Wheel n'est pas optimisée mais vous pouvez la construire et faire des essais

Bruno,
La Shadow’s Wheel non è ottimizzata, ma puoi costruirla e provarla
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