Why don't Perpetual Gravity Wheels Work ?
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re: Why don't Perpetual Gravity Wheels Work ?
Oops! sorry Fletcher. But you will know which is your quote won`t you? Regards.
Re: re: Why don't Perpetual Gravity Wheels Work ?
Yes, some of pathfinders designs are very clever use of leverage but they can not be self sustaining, unfortunately - leverage rules still win out.ectropy wrote:Hi Fletcher,Yes, with reference to conventional designs. Look back at a few of Pathfinder`s animations. Mass anchor axis remain concentric to the main shaft axis. Radii remain constant. What is required is a mechanism to control the rotation of the weights. Unfortunately one finds that there is always a conflict of rotational direction of forces when using gearing." a small mass at greater radius can swing a heavier mass on a shorter moment to 12 o'cl, but it cannot lift it to the same radius as the lesser driving mass & be at 12 o'cl "
As to the "some other force"?
I wonder, would Bessler have "discovered" this unknown force BEFORE he designed and built his wheel or would it have been "discovered" by fluke AFTER having built the wheel. If it was BEFORE, then we have an even bigger mystery. How would he have discovered this force in everyday life. If it was AFTER, then he really would not know what the hell this Mysterious Force was all about anyway. Bugger the wheel. I want this FORCE.
I think Bessler was aware of the force but it wasn't in his front of vision - I mean he observed it in nature everyday but just hadn't made the connection to the PM possibility, seen it as a potential horse to harness, until his dream - then possibilities crystallized & he did experiments to put a leash on this force - Bessler says it can be found/observed in nature & says children play with it in the street/lane.
I think it highly unlikely he cobbled together some arrangement & an unknown force producing OU energy trickled out the bottom for him to amplify & use with imagination - we all want that Force on a collar & chain but first we need to decide on the breed of dog, one that's going to be loyal & obedient & doesn't need feeding, LOL.
re: Why don't Perpetual Gravity Wheels Work ?
Post from TinseKoala at overunity today
N.B. "Stevins principle of segment symmetry"
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@OC: the main error is the usual one in these cases: Your device is a looping device. That is, there is no difference in states, that would make it run at all. Sure, if you are clever and can reduce all losses to zero, and give it a spin, then it will spin and continue to do so, running on the initial spin. But it won't accelerate, because there is NO DIFFERENCE in states t1, t2, t3....etc.
In for example a water wheel, there is mass flow through the system, so the states t1, t2, etc. are different (less water in the upstream reservoir, etc), but in all pure gravity wheels or magnet wheels there is no mass flow or energy flow through the system. No reservoir is being depleted; nothing is flowing, once the whole loop is considered.
Gravity does not flow! It's like a road. We casually speak of a road "going" somewhere, just as we casually assume that gravity is some kind of literal flux or force. But it doesn't, and it isn't. Masses "flow" along gravity from regions of high potential to regions of low potential. And it takes work to reverse that mass flow--just as much work as you get from the original "downstream" flow.
So your proposed design is something like this one, but with a ramp off the wheel to raise the weights back up to strike the spokes or chamber walls...?
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N.B. "Stevins principle of segment symmetry"
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@OC: the main error is the usual one in these cases: Your device is a looping device. That is, there is no difference in states, that would make it run at all. Sure, if you are clever and can reduce all losses to zero, and give it a spin, then it will spin and continue to do so, running on the initial spin. But it won't accelerate, because there is NO DIFFERENCE in states t1, t2, t3....etc.
In for example a water wheel, there is mass flow through the system, so the states t1, t2, etc. are different (less water in the upstream reservoir, etc), but in all pure gravity wheels or magnet wheels there is no mass flow or energy flow through the system. No reservoir is being depleted; nothing is flowing, once the whole loop is considered.
Gravity does not flow! It's like a road. We casually speak of a road "going" somewhere, just as we casually assume that gravity is some kind of literal flux or force. But it doesn't, and it isn't. Masses "flow" along gravity from regions of high potential to regions of low potential. And it takes work to reverse that mass flow--just as much work as you get from the original "downstream" flow.
So your proposed design is something like this one, but with a ramp off the wheel to raise the weights back up to strike the spokes or chamber walls...?
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