A lot of material has been added to the above since 2010.
If you read the website right to the end it's evident that Dr. Minovitch is very pissed off (and rightly so it would appear) that he isn't given the credit due to him.
Judging from the history it seems that he was very junior and, as is often the case, senior people like to take the credit for the work their juniors do. The scientific world is just as unethical in these matters as business or the military.
One of the difficulties his seniors faced of course was it made them look so damn foolish for not having thought of it themselves.
"When Minovitch presented (his theory) to JPL in the form of 47 page technical paper dated August 23, 1961, it was dismissed by the head of JPL's Trajectory Group as impossible. How could a young graduate student in mathematics and physics who never studied the problem of space propulsion, space travel or astrodynamics before the summer of 1961 ever invent a completely new theory of space travel that could not only be fundamentally different from the classical theory based on reaction propulsion which all of the professionals took for granted as the only possible theory but far surpass it in terms of what it could achieve?"
And anyway, hadn't "Professor Hermann Oberth, actually proved mathematically that the exploration of most of the Solar System would not be possible."
The following passage from Minovitch's site is particularly relevant to the Bessler Wheel.
"During this process, Minovitch became interested in a much more difficult trajectory problem that was still unsolved at that time. It was the problem of determining the exact three-dimensional approach trajectory of a free-fall space vehicle approaching some target planet (Mars) such that the effect of its gravitational field, acting simultaneously and continuously with the gravitational field of the sun, will deflect the vehicle trajectory without rocket propulsion onto a new trajectory ..."
Minovitch was dealing with two independent gravitational fields. Bessler was also dealing with two independent gravitational fields, Newtonian and Ersatz gravity - though obviously he didn't think of it in those terms or make the connection with a spacecraft gaining energy from the slingshot effect.
Speaking in the third person Minovitch continues:
"What he discovered is that relative to the sun centered reference frame, the vehicle's orbital energy after the planetary flyby will always be different from the vehicle's pre-encounter orbital energy which can be very large depending on the distance of closest approach, and the mass of the flyby planet."
This is the crucial bit as far as energy gain is concerned. Translated into Bessler-speak it means that the energy exiting the Ersatz Gravity field can be greater than the energy entering the field. It can also be less but we are not interested in burying angular momentum in the earth but mining angular momentum from it. In contrast the space boys are interested in the braking potential of Minovitch's discovery.
Well that's enough for this post. I wouldn't want to give anyone mental indigestion.
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AVE MARIA, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Ô Marie, conçue sans péché, priez pour nous qui avons recours à vous.
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lol
Frank is quick to fly into the first flywheel that comes by & for some reason supposes he has Adamic nameing rights yet other than that, he's a degreed engineer & a published scientist.
JUBAT wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 10:03 pm
I like him a whole lot better than Lingaard.
Yes he in a lot lighter than lead.
Note. We are publishing with every post and being pier reviewed.
P.S. ex-engineer who published without the principle officer's authorisation.
As Frank has stated he slipped it out between one P. Office leaving
and the next starting the job.
One could say Frank tuck it on himself to Act-Up the role until it was filled.
That taking on other jobs as will as creating new word definitions resulted in him being
an ex-engineer.
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[MP] Mobiles that perpetuate - external energy allowed
To celebrate my mother's birthday I am designing a Loch Lomond circuit for wheel weights. The track will be grounded to provide the necessary Terra reaction for the weights.
Initially, I will place circuit details on the Buzz Members Forum.
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I now realise that before rushing off to build a wheel the theoretical basis needs to be proved experimentally and problems which show up overcome.
I see the biggest problem as the acute angle curve between the mass reaching the end of the down slope and starting its travel along the underside of the up slope. A high G will be developed which must be resisted by a large terra-equivalent mass to prevent unacceptable energy loss.
If the device works it will be equivalent to the 360 degree pendulum going over the top, a far more complicated experimental proposition which involves storing energy over one part of the travel and releasing it over another. This is what Sjack Abeling attempted. He claimed great success and then disappeared.
I suspect there are better up slopes than the straight line; a down slope rotated through 180 degrees for example. This can be examined by graphical analysis.
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What would happen if the ball's did not start from a dead stop then having to pick up KE from a rest position. I'd make the assumption that the balls would run close to dead even.
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I have wondered why people start with a mass with zero K.E.
There is no reason they can not start the testing with an initial K.E. as long as it increases.
P.S. Induction generally requires movement.
Regards
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[MP] Mobiles that perpetuate - external energy allowed
I think it worked and Sjack didn't realise why.
At 1.55 the path of the weights shown strongly suggests the brachistochrone circuit being
discussed on this Terra-Gravitic Induction thread.
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Sjack would have probably used a circular arc for his rising wall since its the simplest curve to lay out.. As you can see from the above graph there's not much difference between that and a cycloid over quite a range of angle. So, unwittingly, he would have provided the optimum curve to preserve the higher orders of energy generated on the weight's descent.
When he wrote that Grimer didn't realise that the brachistochrone curve could generate free inertial mass energy.
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A little confusing as I did not know Sjack Abeling visits this site.
Also Senax talking about Frank Grimer as another person as if Sjack was talking about Grimer.
Even more so when people think Senax and Grimer/Grimer2 are the same person?
So, unwittingly, he would have provided the optimum curve to preserve the higher orders of energy generated on the weight's descent.
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Frank,
Are you talking about a curve producing optimal acceleration such that gravity is increasing acceleration from the highest possible point/level*?
*ETA: @ every instance
Could you clarify that, please.
Humor is a skill not too different
than spelling or grammer. Some will never get it
