IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Hi everyone,
Let us focus again on the target.
1) Firstly, please understand very well the meanings of Fc, Fc', d and d' described in the third link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/20 ... a_look.pdf
2) Secondly, please answer the following simple question: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" YES OR NO? (Is it so difficult to answer such a simple question? It is like a binary code -- 0 or 1.)
Looking forward to your answer.
George
Let us focus again on the target.
1) Firstly, please understand very well the meanings of Fc, Fc', d and d' described in the third link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/20 ... a_look.pdf
2) Secondly, please answer the following simple question: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" YES OR NO? (Is it so difficult to answer such a simple question? It is like a binary code -- 0 or 1.)
Looking forward to your answer.
George
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I would like George1's posts to be moved to the Fraud or Off-Topic section. He has been refuted and answered multiple times and keeps asking the same questions over and over. It's got absolutely nothing to do with the Bessler Wheel. If you don't reply to him, he spams the list with a copy of his previous post over and over. Really for that behaviour he should be removed.
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re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Hi everyone.
1) Well, it's obvious to me that most people here are simply not familiar with theoretical and applied mechanics. I am quoting:"...Maybe you should explain what the meanings of those terms are instead of telling us to understand." But what to explain?! EVERYTHING IS EXPLAINED IN THE THIRD LINK https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/20 ... a_look.pdf
2) After understanding well the essence of the third link, then you must only connect it logically to the first two links (in the very beginning of this topic) and you will understand the concept easily and thoroughly.
3) Аnd your kidding and/or appeal to move my topic in the Fraud or Off-topic section is not able secrete your ignorance in the field of theoretical and applied mechanics. (Please don't be insulted!:) I am ready to apologize! But it would be really good for you if you consult an expert who would be able to explain to you the concept.)
4) So let us find an expert in theoretical and applied mechanics. Do you know somebody?
Looking forward to your answer.
George1
1) Well, it's obvious to me that most people here are simply not familiar with theoretical and applied mechanics. I am quoting:"...Maybe you should explain what the meanings of those terms are instead of telling us to understand." But what to explain?! EVERYTHING IS EXPLAINED IN THE THIRD LINK https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/20 ... a_look.pdf
2) After understanding well the essence of the third link, then you must only connect it logically to the first two links (in the very beginning of this topic) and you will understand the concept easily and thoroughly.
3) Аnd your kidding and/or appeal to move my topic in the Fraud or Off-topic section is not able secrete your ignorance in the field of theoretical and applied mechanics. (Please don't be insulted!:) I am ready to apologize! But it would be really good for you if you consult an expert who would be able to explain to you the concept.)
4) So let us find an expert in theoretical and applied mechanics. Do you know somebody?
Looking forward to your answer.
George1
re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Okay I'm done with your George1. I fail to see what this has to do with Bessler.
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re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
g1 wrote:2) Secondly, please answer the following simple question: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" YES OR NO? (Is it so difficult to answer such a simple question? It is like a binary code -- 0 or 1.)
Your "team" is claiminge1 wrote: You can choose a combination of forces, segments or zigzags to get those formulas, sure, but only in theory. That's the objection.
In reality, you can't choose those combinations. So the experiment wouldn't work, even under ideal conditions.
using this example of two machines, one with a frictive linear section, and the other with a non-frictive zigzag channel.a) the law of conservation of linear momentum is not correct;
b) the law of conservation of mechanical energy is not correct;
c) both the law of conservation of linear momentum and the law of conservation of mechanical energy are not correct simultaneously.
The claim is the reactive forces from the black component would be the same in both machines (Fc = F'c), because the zigzag channel would generate resistance without thermal losses, and proving your claim. In the thought experiment, the ideal conditions stated there were no electromagnetic forces. (4th paragraph)
https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/20 ... _01-12.pdf
Given that, the experiment fails at that step. There would be no resistance in either machine if there are no EM forces present. Both blue components would move through without encountering resistance. The linear s section would behave as though it were a zigzag channel, i.e., without friction.
The other inconsistency I note is in the above paper, the black component is allowed to move. In the 3rd link, containing the now-infamous question, the black component isn't allowed to move.
Given just these two issues with your thought experiment (there are others),
the answer to your question is no, you can't choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?"
Given your responses it would seem that you are the one who doesn't understand theoretical or applied mechanics.
re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Was about to reply too, but agreed with ecc1.
Marchello E.
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re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
I for one am interested in what george1 has to say.
I believe he might be going in the right direction.
I also do not believe the laws of thermodynamics are correct. And have been shown as flawed.
I believe he might be going in the right direction.
I also do not believe the laws of thermodynamics are correct. And have been shown as flawed.
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WHY DO YOU FEAR THE SILVER TIGER?
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Could you supply third-party proof showing it's flawed.Johndoe2 wrote:I also do not believe the laws of thermodynamics are correct. And have been shown as flawed.
Just Curious
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re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Very soon. Hopefully in a week or 2.
Until then i leave you with this small gift.
https://youtu.be/dKCV8gzSlYw
Until then i leave you with this small gift.
https://youtu.be/dKCV8gzSlYw
Re: re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION M
Johndoe2 wrote:I also do not believe the laws of thermodynamics are correct. And have been shown as flawed.
agor95 wrote:Could you supply third-party proof showing it's flawed.
Just Curious
Interesting John, your perpetual motion machine caused a temporal rewind. Or reversal?Johndoe2 wrote:Very soon. Hopefully in a week or 2.
Marchello E.
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re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHI
Not sure ME but it looks like a win either way.