Basic Pm Idea

[Dwylbtzle]

considering I am a direct descendant of Pocahontas and the fact that the British killed off tbe Powhatan people for tobacco, why not ?
The British are the conquerors.
btw, Motoaka is Pocahontas' child's name.
She took her mothers name who died giving birth to her.
Also, John Smith was not Thomas' father but most liky Thomas Drake. could be wrong but then Roert E. Lee's brother is supposed to be my grandfather.
With Pocahontas, well documented.

well, hell, then maybe you might have the genetic
or culteral heritage or whatever makeup to take a coupla puffs before you go to bed
and maybe get away with it
and it makes you dream more
that's why they thought it was sacred
and that's probably why it actually was

well the engles thought they could trade scrap copper for food and land and whatever
and they woulda been able to
but there was a drought the years they arrived
and the indians could scarce trade vitals like food for copper

mainly measles killed the indians
as they had no immunity to it
and it was like the most horrible plague
guns and horses and steel helped, sure
and whisky
but disease killed magnitudes more
white people aren't evil
everyone's evil
including white people

[smith66]

with the Powhatans, it was the settlers at Jamestown. People were murdered for the great white way.

edited to add; my father lived under German rule and went hungry.
The Swastika is not wrong.

[Dwylbtzle]

now, bra, being a really healthy bigfoot, who was there
i remember the engles found a place with buried seed corn
and took some to eat in desperation
and the indians felt sorry for them, being reduced to thieving skraelings
and they noticed the whites had landed in a place they'd abandoned because of plague already any way
and one of the indians spoke english (that's absolutely true)
so they taught them how to grow maize--by using cod as fertilizer in the CRAPPY sandy poor soil
(really good only for growing tobacco)--which is even found in mummies
and ancient european dead bodies from before columbus (true)
so europeans were already nic fittin from the git go
and they asked the whites to be their allies
and go kill another village
and the wrong village was attacked
because english people are part viking (norman) and part saxon
and no two more doltish tribes ever forged an abomination
and they usually blow their own foots off anyway
and then there was a thing where some indian was suspected of stealing a silver cup or something
so the white eyes went to demand it
and someone called someone's mother a churl
and then it got ugly

and then everyone died of starvation and disease anyway

so fine
them problem people are all dead now
now we got US problem people
all of us
cod fester us every ONE

[smith66]

dwizzle,
since I am Pocahontas great grand son, I have the right to ask the British Royalty to return my grand mother to our people.

[Dwylbtzle]

agreed
wot
they won't give up her bones?
well, she's a heroine to them
what else they got?
king richard the third?
henry the eighth?
yuk
see?
i told her not to go to that cesspool of a bog called londinium
that's why she died, poor thing
disease
22 years old


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ok, i called her majesty, and she takes my calls because i'm a stuart--you heard of that family?
i'm descended from King James Stuart (actually true--- i just mutated into a bigfoot back in the late 16th century from radioactive tar in tobacco)--who was king of both scotland and england at the same time--that's where you get King James Bible--1611
anyway
and she knows we know where all the skeletons are buried
so i told her about what you said and she says the people would revolt if she let them disturb her bones
and everyone in america is british anyway in her mind
it's just that everyone over there doesn't know that they are still colonies
but what can she do about that?
the island is great britian and we're greater britain--and that means canada too by gump

and something about an english citizen...
buried in hallowed ground in a churchyard in Gravesend
EXACT LOCATION UNKNOWN!
who maybe has grandchildren there in england, too
blah blah blah
so i was just going YES YER WARSHIP!
YES you're battleship!
(cough)
couldn't get thru to her
her hands are kinda tied
she don't wanna be hung from a gibbet
they do that to royalty now and then over there i hear

i don't know
they love yer grandmother too much to have any of it by dingle
that's wot i got from her
i think she's really afraid to do it
people keep talking about cutting the royal family off, over there, you know
anyway--she doesn't want to have to deal with something like THAT
(mainly, if you wanna get down to it...i think, anyway... all the little english girls would cry too much--because of all those pocahontas movies and dolls--even i had a small doll
swear t God--came from mcdonalds and i gave it to my neice or little sister daphne--can't remember which
it's been a beloved bedtime story in england for 400 years
and they can be such whiney little things the nation would get no peace)

the indians should go over there and claim them
that's what i recommend
turn the tables on em

[smith66]

you really don't have a life, do you dwizzle ?

My father was told many times to go back to Norway because Americans do not like immigrants.
Kind of the real reason I do not belong in this forum.

[Dwylbtzle]

no seriously my friend
read it again
i don't know WHAT it takes to make this one laugh
i was trying to cheer you up
but yer a tough crowd out there
is this thing on

that part about the unknown location is true
you can google it
and they even have the memorial to her on youtube
little church in gravesend--but no one knows where the exact location of her resting place is
she was 22 when she died

this is true

so, hey
is john smith66 your grandfather?
you know--that was the love story--her and john smith

and i'm certainly as much a norse immigrant as anyone
de la pole family
became poole
seriously
came over to england in 1066 with william the conqueror
norman invasion
norman is norsemen
if americans don't like norgies they don't like themselves
Good Lord you didn't realize that english people and americans are vikings?
didn't it show, lately?--like the last 500 years?
you sure yer just not determined to be pissed at the world?
i'd let a (brave) norgie drink outta my canteen any day
any red blooded american would

don't TRY to form a dang image of all the negative forces on earth focusing on you
because that's false
unless you whistle em up and call em in yourself
you have the power brave brother
thoughts are things
think of something good--plenty out there
plenty IN there
there ya go

[smith66]

dwytzble,
in the morning I will find out when I return to work. one thing I get to tell my doctor is that the reason my tail bone is bent at a 90 degree angle is because it is fractured and not one doctor I have seen in the last year considers that a problem because they think it's normal.
with Pocahontas, I sometimes think she was given to John Smith so that the British would be family. instead it seems the British exploited her.
the Powhatans had heard stories about the Spanish and Cortez.

[smith66]

@All,
Just did a check of how much retraction I have on the counter weighted cross bar.
I'll need to make a mold and pour myself at least one cylindrical weight.
And while I'm at it, will see what I can do about shooting water upwards. With an 8:1 ratio, it should be interesting to see how much acceleration the water has.

edited to add; just did the math and found out that I have the right size hole saws to make a cylindrical mold that will have a hollow center.

[smith66]

@All,
With Mt 126, if you notice rotating the drawing 180 degrees, both weights are in the position to drop.
What might be missed is that if 1 lb. weights are used and work together, then moving 1 lb. of water is possible.
If from one side to the other is 30 inches, then by a weight be 6 inches out of balance, water could be moved 30 inches. what this would mean is that there would be 9 inches of torque on the side where the water became over balanced.
And this would agree with Bessler's quote of

Pulleys/Pulls
1. “If I arrange to have just one cross-bar in my machine, it revolves very slowly, just as if it can hardly turn itself at all, but, on the contrary, when I arrange several bars, pulleys [Züge] and weights, the machine can revolve much faster." AP 340 Collins


What might be missing people is that as I've been concerned about going around the outside of the wheel, Bessler might have gone through center. If so, then this is where using a 16:1 leveraging ratio would be very helpful.
And with the one pressure test I am doing, it should shed a lot of light on this quote of Bessler's.
Also, I have been working on the 2 weighted ob cross bar. between drinking and building, I'd rather be building.

@Ed, am sorry about having ignored you but I was very frustrated with how things were going. Thanks for the compliment about my having served in the military. It wasn't all bad as I did learn quite a bit and got exposed to a lot of stuff.
Spent a lot of time onboard the USS Kittyhawk, CVA 63. It was an aircraft carrier. This was kind of odd because I am from Dayton, Ohio originally and know quite well what the Wright Bros. went through to build their planes.
Most people today find it difficult to believe that powered flight was actually considered impossible back then. What helped the Wright Bros. is that they had an engine custom made with an aluminum block that had the necessary horsepower. Wihtout it, they might not have gotten off the ground.

And for those who wonder, I won't be surprised if both builds I'm working on end up working. The reason I say this is because I like the math.
And if you notice, in the first drawing, the levers are in the down position and in the second one, they are elevated.
What needs to be considered is the over balance the water creates compared to the loss due to one weight being out of balance.
Hopefully by the middle of the wekk I'll have the pump going for some initial testing.

And I won't comment ont he "A" most likely refers to something else of a religious nature. i'll leave any possible connection to Freemasonry out of it, okay ?

[Ed]

@Ed, am sorry about having ignored you but I was very frustrated with how things were going.

No problem James (or do you go by Jim?). I learned a valuable lesson, "Don't necessarily think someone is crazy, they might just be ignoring you". What threw me was you kept using my name, like you were seeing my posts but just didn't like what I was saying.

Yeah an aircraft carrier would be one of the most interesting ships to be on. How much time did you spend on the Kittyhawk? Does Dayton have many Wright Brothers exhibits?

Ok, good luck with building. I'm definitely interested to hear how it goes. :-)

[Dwylbtzle]

dwytzble,
in the morning I will find out when I return to work. one thing I get to tell my doctor is that the reason my tail bone is bent at a 90 degree angle is because it is fractured and not one doctor I have seen in the last year considers that a problem because they think it's normal.
with Pocahontas, I sometimes think she was given to John Smith so that the British would be family. instead it seems the British exploited her.
the Powhatans had heard stories about the Spanish and Cortez.

yes--the indians had a grape vine--like any other sentient beings
they weren't stupid
they knew the steel clothed men with mighty thunder sticks riding on deer were coming eventually
and it was well determined that they had some magic the indians didn't understand yet
that's why that one tribe wanted to make an alliance with them
"black death power magic they got it"
so they asked them to attack a neighboring enemy tribe
and look what you get when you dabble in black magic:
crazy assed shitfaced white boys waving guns screaming bible verses and attacking one of yer own villages by mistake

i still like the idea that Pocahontas saved John from execution and they fell in love--and the chief adopted him--yes as family

that's a GOOD story--has some goodness in the theme--even if we can't know all the details
follow the good thoughts
go towards the light, friend the ALL GOOD without shadow of turning--it/he/she/ (no plumbing involved here) calls unto you
knocks
if you see malice in underland
don't follow her down the rabbit hole
you are filled with fabulous ideas
any fool could see that
that's why this one did-(the wheel just ran over my head (again))-and there will be others if you don't bite them
sorry if i bit you in a rabid frenzy of gravalone flipper hydrophobia

life is too short--the flipper ain't worth one's soul
someone shows me their flipper one too many times and i crack
my bad

[Dwylbtzle]

by the way
if yer using water in some way that it makes something lighter thru buoyancy--and then ALSO utilizes something the water gives you from its molecular nature, so that then that ALLOWS you to use gravity...
wail, hail, Clem!
then that (I BELIEVE) certainly CAN be made to do SOMEthing that works (i just don't get how to make it work with a wheel)
and THAT wouldn't be a gravalone flipper
would NOT be true PM
and it wouldn't violate any newtonian laws of physics
and we agree about the whole thing

and if you give us more details you could indeed be royally ripped off
but not by me --(i already know the absolute simplest, most efficient way to do it--almost no moving parts--how much simpler could it go?)
but don't take my word on THAT or anyone else's

[smith66]

@Ed, am sorry about having ignored you but I was very frustrated with how things were going.

No problem James (or do you go by Jim?). I learned a valuable lesson, "Don't necessarily think someone is crazy, they might just be ignoring you". What threw me was you kept using my name, like you were seeing my posts but just didn't like what I was saying.

Yeah an aircraft carrier would be one of the most interesting ships to be on. How much time did you spend on the Kittyhawk? Does Dayton have many Wright Brothers exhibits?

Ok, good luck with building. I'm definitely interested to hear how it goes. :-)

Ed,
I think that is one of the problems with the internet sometimes, the pace and which people can go is a bit quicker than is needed sometimes.
There is a Carillon Park in Dayton that has a full scale replica of the Wright Bros. first airplane. Can't get to close to it though, I guess being a museum piece and all.
The picture is of where I'm at right now with the pump. I think the levers are about the only thing left before it'll be ready for it's first test.
I'm going to duct tape plastic for the tube. I've done it before and it actually works quite well.
I usually go by Jim. there is one other things as usual. After I got out of the Navy, I went to work at the Boeing airplane Co. in Seattle, Wa. I took a lot of off hour training in anything from machine shop operation (had already worked as a machinist) to CATIA, that's 3 dimensional interactive design programming. Basically, how to draw a part in 3D. For a 2D view, you'd have to do a cut out.
So I do have a lot of experience and some schooling in reading, designing and working from blueprints. I think that helps me a lot with Bessler's drawings.

@dwyztble, I know what you mean about Pocahontas. Who knows, maybe a happy ending would be for her to return home to her people.

As for what you say about water, it does have properties that allow it to work differently. Basically because it has viscosity, that's just a fancy way of saying it can flow.
And one thing that allows is for water to respond to pressure and not leverage. Leverage is used to increase the pressure acting on the water.
Basically that's called cheating.

edited to add; With Bessler's comments in his quote, by working with multiples of 2, a 4 weighted wheel would be easier than going with only 2.
With the pump shown, it's base can be converted into a pump similar to what Bessler has shown in his drawings like Mt's 156, 126 and 127 among others.

[smith66]

@All,
I thought I would post a better picture of the pump.
Tomorrow I'll make the tube and test it. It should be about
a 4 1/2 to 1 ratio, so with a 1 lb. weight, about 4 1/2 lbs. of force will be acting on the pump.
one thing this does is give something to think about when it comes to the mechanics of the water being pumped on the outside of the wheel.
I'll be able to build a pump and put on the base if I want to test something like Mt 125, etc.
One problem I have always been mindful of when it comes to using this type of pump in a wheel is the space between the planks. One possible solution might be something similar to the trucks used on rail cars.
They have 4 points of contact on the ground and one with the car. Such a set up would work well for something like this. This would allow for the force from the lever to be distributed more evenly.
With the pump I'll be demonstrating, it'll be about 4 1/2 inches wide. This is one reason why if you take a close look that the short lever has 2 points spread apart.
With a wheel though, it might be easier to use 2 levers, one on each side and have the weight hanging from both.
As I go along, I think you guys will catch on to what I'm talking about. And since I opened the gap where the tube goes, it should hold more water by weight than the weight I'll be using. So if it works, I'll be pumping more weight over twice the distance. I think the long lever/weight combo will only drop about 4 inches.
And with trying to lift the weight 24 inches, that's a 6 to 1 ratio. And I think that's what can allow for a perpetually working wheel.