Grease power

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Like I said in the previous one I think that the right angles connected by red lines is overbalanced by itself. This would be an MT9 wheel. Overbalanced wheel using right angle shaped lever tied together by strings such that one side dangles on strings and is overbalanced and the other ascending side is locked in place.

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Same overbalanced wheel design but with the right angle released at the top. In this you can see that there is a slight counter torque at the top but two overbalanced torques on the right which should by eye balling it look like it's overbalanced. Don't you think?

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I think that the right string length can move the top right right angle 22.5 degrees early offsetting the mechanism by 0.5 weight overbalanced because of the early drop. Thank you mt9.

EDIT actually it's overbalanced by about 0.2. The bottom right addition to the overbalance is 1 not 1.3.

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I wanted to improve my mt 16 drawing by adding an extra string that pulls the leftmost weight on the leonardo da vinci overbalanced wheel from the middle to the center. It's basically almost a horizontal shift so it shouldn't take much energy to do. It should be +3 in green not +4, sorry.

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Welcome to my newest idea. I've positioned weights that swing together such that the overbalanced weights move 45 degrees shifts and the weights that rearrange them move 90 degrees shifts. The 90 degree weights shift back into place because one weight is heavier than the other. Now it doesn't have to be super heavier than the other, it's just an amount heavier. Most of the pudding is in the drawing. The green lines have 2:1 ratio to the orange weights. The orange weights want to be separate. When the weights on the left are separated the weights will have one weight pulling down and the other resisting because they are geared to move in opposite directions. Actually each of these movements from all of the shifting weights have the gears moving the levers in opposite directions. It's a really a cool gear arrangement and creates this unique impression for my idea or art.

The orange weights should be 1.6 overbalanced and the green weights should be about 0.7 counter torque but the weights do have to shift so it's not perfectly overbalanced constantly like that. You will see it hitting a point where it's 1 overbalanced and about 1 balanced but it should just push right through this point. The weights are free swinging so it should be smooth and limited friction as gears are, it might need to be oiled. The reason that it's 1 overbalanced and 1 balanced is because it's about 0.7 balanced so 0.3 overbalanced but I'm giving credit to the fact that it takes time for the green weights to straighten. This movement of the green weights straightening will drag the wheel some and I don't think it's much when it's spinning slowly so about 0.3 drag with that. I want credit for this idea. I think it's interesting. I drew it tonight and I might have made some mistakes. If there is a glaring error.... How embarrassing. I have a lot of faith in it having just thought of it now. I think that I'm in a good place with my mechanical logic.

It looks like I might have fudged my math though. So I'll correct what I'm thinking now. It's plus 0.7 on the top left but it's minus 0.3 instead of plus 0.3 so instead of it being +1 there it's +0.4. So if the wheel begins keeling it's because it's 0.7 balanced and 0.4 overbalanced before the weights swing. The weights swing by themselves. So if the unbalance of +1 vs -0.7 is enough to keep the wheel going because the shifting of the weight should be a very brief moment then it would work. Maybe this could lead you to some of your own ideas using the mechanics I've discovered for this model.

I did some math using trig calc and if it were to shift 22.5 degrees the top left would be +0.11 and the green weights would be much stronger with a 4:1 ratio and their lighter amount would be 0.13 at the 45 degree angle on the right. However the separated weights on the left give 0.16 overbalanced and that is a lot better ratio because 0.14 vs a difference of 0.02 to overcome has good odds. So the 4:1 ratio is only very slightly overbalanced the mechanism would have to be very precise all part measured correctly but 4:1 ratio would give a more clear result moving the orange levers 22.5 degrees and the green one 90 degrees.

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This is the same drawing as before but with 22.5 degree shifting orange weights and 4:1 gear ratio to the green weights that shift 90 degrees.

The purple lines show that the green weights split the orange weights on the left. The blue lines show that the green weights combine the orange weights on the top. The 4:1 ratio of the blue allows the 90 degree drops of the green weights to shift 22.5 degrees the orange weights with 4x less force per distance from axle. This makes the green weights light compared, sitting at a 45 degree angle on the right provides only 0.13 counter torque at the correct weights and lengths. While on the left at the top left the overbalanced position of these weights gives 0.11 so the counter torque before shifting the weights is 0.02. I used trig calc to make measurements. When the weights shift, the very left most orange weights will slightly overbalance the wheel a significant, 0.16. This small overbalanced compared to the device as a whole is very significant. It's 0.14 being used to overcome 0.02 so the momentum of being overbalanced 0.12 must overcome the counter torque of 0.02 which it might be able to do actually.

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Realigning gravity thruster ladies and gentlemen!

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haha - I drew the image wrong the first time. This second image is drawn with the top weights offset to the left because the difference between the two weights is not substantial. One weight is heavier than the other. Also if the heavier weight were infinitely heavy it would still have the lesser weight pointing off to the left too. I just didn't orient the weights correctly. Also the green weights on top don't fully reset until they reach the top right position. They drop on the top left and reset by the top right position. The wheel is overbalanced by a lot but it will slow its gears as it moves and shift the weights not quite as much as if it stood still in this image. There will be slowly less shifting of the red weights as there is less time to shift the green weights until it reaches a maximum speed....

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I wasn't sure if I misunderstood the leverage of my gears so I worked around it by letting the weights free fall around a round guide which would be equivalent to as if it went along the path of the levers. This gives the same proportions as I was calculating that i thought a gear would provide but it's for a free falling weights and when it realigns it uses the levers still like before. THIS MIGHT BE Bessler's clue of putting the horse before the carriage. I challenge WaltzCee to make a snarky comment about this. :). Because of the clue putting the horse before the carriage, what is the passage that that clue is in? I don't remember.

So the weights hang from the levers by string making them free fall separate from the lever. The lever also free falls when this happens. I think it would work as I think it would. The way I think it would work is that there is no leverage related torque changes to the weight it's just free falling and going along the blue guide and suspending from the lever making a full rotation around the guide in free fall. It's not connected to another string causing a suspension calculation that I can calculate so I'm not sure how the angle of it suspending off of the free falling lever would be. I think because it's not joined, or not whole with another string that it free falls as if it were falling straight down, it's just being guided by the lever and the blue guide circle.

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• I challenge WaltzCee to make a snarky comment about this. :).

You sound desperate, Dr WTF. :)

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I have an interesting idea about this idea. There is torque from the wheel moving that pushes into the axle of the green levers. The wheel has a whopping similar torque pushing into the axle of the green levers that the green levers have. Could the turning of the weights on the wheel push into its own green driving instrument that pushes up the red weights? There would need to be some acceleration so there might need to be acceleration downwards by the green weights and some acceleration by the wheel. If the green lever falls as fast as gravity if the wheel is spinning as fast as gravity then double the full torque of the wheel might push into the axle of the green levers and this would assist lifting the red weights. What is the official right way to calculate this effect? Now I'm describing the levers on gears model, not the suspension one that was a desperate attempt to correct the gear model. The gear model might work!

clackers original 1970 ball toy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLHftISLNHE

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• What is the official right way to calculate this effect?

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Build it. Let reality do the calculations for you. It don't get no better than that, Dr WTF.

ETA
I want to make a line of towels & wash cloths & like your design. Can I just use your pattern or would you expect some royalty?

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this one here

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The image you want to put on towels is very cluttered. It does look silly like a design on a towel, I get it.

This drawing is less cluttered and would be more suitable for a build. If it's force times acceleration, does it matter how heavy the weights are or how much it accelerates as long as it's overbalanced? If it's the latter then I should try to give as much leverage to the green levers as I can while remaining just a little bit overbalanced on the wheel and then I can push the wheel into motion as fast as I can to get it started and cause the chain reaction of the axle of the green levers being pulled by the momentum of the wheel. I didn't draw that design but this design is about 20 percent less overbalanced giving the green levers 20 percent more power over even. Or is it over medium like over medium eggs or over even eggs? What is it called when you flip the egg over and cook both sides?

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Who has the computational apparatus to compute how fast the wheel needs to go to cause the green weights to come together? I know that the faster the wheel is the more it will move the weights by the axle being pushed on like a clacker toy. I would have to guess how to calculate it. I think that the weight moving downwards adds momentum against the axle. So it be momentum down plus momentum up equals extra pull the wheel has on the weights. So you have weights downward momentum plus momentum down plus momentum up. but then that would be triple the force of whatever downwards force it is. Or maybe it's just double the downward force if there is in fact momentum greater than it going into it. That might be the case then. If the momentum of the wheel is greater than the weights it will add its own momentum into its push. That is my guess. Tarsier79 would you shed some physics logic this way? I feel like being shot down while I'm ahead in my thinking. Don't let me go rampage with this delusion. Correct me Tarsier79 please. I am beginning to believe that I'm right. I want to call this change in weights torque frame of reference resistance. So Bessler's wheel uses frame of reference resistance where if the wheel is moving faster than the weights that it will give full impact into the pull of the weights equal to the additional amount equal to the weights falling speed. The weights would begin to fall harder and resist the frame of reference resistance more and thus gain more torque on the levers to lift the red weights. The as Bessler said the weights gain force from their own momentum. He didn't say speed. He said force. Isn't that right?

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Pre: The as Bessler said the weights gain force from their own momentum. He didn't say speed. He said force. Isn't that right?

AP: The wheel's own inner force must come into being without external momentum being applied by such devices. It must, simply put, just revolve, without being wound-up, through the principle of "excess weight"