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I have an original English version of the 1611 King James Bible. It uses the letter I in place of the letter J. Perhaps in the 1600s and 1700s 'I' was the proper letter for 'J' in the German language also.
yes they were interchangeable , here is an example from his stuff that was marked alphabetical , from H to J to K.

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https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/v ... 0615/1285/

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https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/v ... 0615/1289/

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https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/v ... 0615/1293/
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Good Job johannesbender on the seal information. I always wondered why they signed L.S in DT on pages 238 and 236.
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If you want to see one of the watermarks better there is on page 26 of Orffyraena in the middle of the back of the document.
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On the seal JB where you think you see the “all seeing eye� it might be the top of the anchor. The four leaf clover is laid on top of anchor hiding the cross. I am a little conflicted though because the anchor doesn’t seem proportionate then. Not that it doesn’t look like an anchor just that it is tall.
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daxwc wrote:If you want to see one of the watermarks better there is on page 26 of Orffyraena in the middle of the back of the document.
yes that is the last one i added up in JC sub forum.

I have some more but , they are very very hard to spot.
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daxwc wrote:On the seal JB where you think you see the “all seeing eye� it might be the top of the anchor. The four leaf clover is laid on top of anchor hiding the cross. I am a little conflicted though because the anchor doesn’t seem proportionate then. Not that it doesn’t look like an anchor just that it is tall.
dax there are eye symbols i found but i do not know if they were old enough , look over here for "metis" (lady of the stars/ wisdom skill craft).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_symbols
and look for "astraea" on that page too (the closest to an anchor but it is inverted).

here is mythology info on "Mễtis":
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metis_(mythology)
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I see what you mean; the "all see eye" has been around for thousands of years, but I think the Metis symbol is too late. A different angle of the seal seems to suggest it is not the top of the anchor. I am not sure if it is the eye either. I have seen some old Gemini symbols where the lines are convex. What it needs is some kind of depth scan done to the original.
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There used to be a time on this discussion forum that if you suggested Bessler was involved in the Western Esotericism you were attacked due to Bessler seemed to be so pious. Little by little that has fallen away due to his own admissions in AP, Gabor Rychlak’s excellent Annenberg research and Oystein. Bessler seal pretty well put the nail in the coffin, not only was he involved early in life it continued thereafter.

I am going to present two old drawings. The first is an old Freemason drawing from 1850. I have been trying to find an older version; one has to be wary due to internet crap and glean through the chaff. But in the one presented notice all the seal connections in symbolism. There is the eye, sun, moon, two columns and the anchor.
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The second German drawing has a lot of Bessler’s seal symbolism in it also. Notable are the pillars, sun, moon, rays into the middle, Mercury symbol. I am going to put some of the websites quote here in case the link disappears.
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I delved a little deeper into the history and came across this 18th Century German Rosicrucian engraving

Jachin represents the elements of fire and air (Wands and Swords) whereas Boaz symbolizes water and the earth (Cups and Pentacles). Recalling the traditional gendered renditions of light and dark, above the pillar of Jachin we have a little sun, and correspondingly a moon over the Boaz pillar. In between we have the other five planets of astrology, partaking of both the sun and the moon, the light and the dark (there were only five astrological planets at that time). The rays are refracted through prisms of the cosmic alchemical principles of sulphur and mercury (also found, together with salt and water, in the Wheel of Fortune). These rays influence everything that lies below. The important aspect of this is not, as we may have thought, in the opposition or even intermingling of the male and female "principles" but rather in what is generated through the dynamic interaction of the two. For the Rosicrucians the concept of polarity is magical because in the union of the opposites it is transcended, giving birth to a new polarity on a higher level. They called it "Conjunction".

https://tarotdontarot.blogspot.com/2013 ... z-and.html
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it appears that astronomy astrology and alchemy and religion was somewhat weaved together.

btw have you ever looked at the old plan drawings of kassel , showing the birdseye view of it all , not just the castle area , you will soon find the compass and square design on a very large scale.

but thats not my area of knowledge , i leave such things for people that have an interest and understanding in it.

although i claimed very long ago that bessler might have been in to alchemy and the brotherhood that went with it , i dont really look in to it anymore , i dont understand a fraction of it.

if you cant find the plan images , i will upload some later if i have time.

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Johan Ernest Elias Offreyus ?
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Check out Stewart or Øystein’s work on that. Not sure which one commented on it.

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All three symbols are in Bessler's seal. The symbols can represent so many things such as days of the week, planets, matter states or chemical reactions.
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Good find daxwc, I’m sure that Bessler chose that symbol in particular but altered it slightly to accomodate his hint at the pentagram.

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way back when i was in to the whole code thing , and used to be a bit of a complete asshole , i posted this one up.

funny how you can look back and not recognise yourself in the midst of the hogwash you used to condure and post up back then.

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