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Élucubration du jour suite au commentaire de Fletcher et en corrélation des orientations de Thx4
«Il n'y a pas de roue dans le système Bessler!!!»
je pense que la roue est un leurre et ne sert que de roue d'inertie pour emmagasiner l'énergie produite par son système.
Suivant cette pensée, la page jouets peut être interprétée de la manière suivante:
1 - pas de roue
2 - au centre deux systèmes de mouvement alternatif. Les deux manettes divergent ou convergent.
Ces deux systèmes peuvent être couplés pour avoir un effet inverse.
3 - sur le coté droit une chaîne rudimentaire, dessin trop imprécis pour être considéré comme une échelle de Jacob.
4 - sur le coté gauche un système à ciseaux dont les fonctions sont multiples en références aux systèmes de leviers combinés.
Bas de page une image ambiguë :
Hochet pour certain, Toupie pour d'autres.
Peut être une interpellation (Hochet) pour dire que son système est un lanceur qui entretien l'inertie de la roue (fonctionnement de la toupie).
Fin de l'élucubration.
J.B
Elucidation of the day following the comment of Fletcher and in correlation of the orientations of Thx4
"There is no wheel in the Bessler system!!"
I think that the wheel is a decoy and serves only as a wheel of inertia to store the energy produced by its system.
Following this thought, the toy page can be interpreted as follows:
1 - no wheel
2 - in the center two alternating motion systems. The two joysticks diverge or converge.
These two systems can be coupled to have an opposite effect.
3 - on the right side a rudimentary chain, drawing too imprecise to be considered a ladder of Jacob.
4 - on the left side a scissor system with multiple functions in reference to combined lever systems.
Footnote an ambiguous image:
Rattle for some, Top for others.
Can be a stop (Rattle) to say that its system is a launcher that maintains the inertia of the wheel (operation of the router).
End of the elucubration.
J.B
«Il n'y a pas de roue dans le système Bessler!!!»
je pense que la roue est un leurre et ne sert que de roue d'inertie pour emmagasiner l'énergie produite par son système.
Suivant cette pensée, la page jouets peut être interprétée de la manière suivante:
1 - pas de roue
2 - au centre deux systèmes de mouvement alternatif. Les deux manettes divergent ou convergent.
Ces deux systèmes peuvent être couplés pour avoir un effet inverse.
3 - sur le coté droit une chaîne rudimentaire, dessin trop imprécis pour être considéré comme une échelle de Jacob.
4 - sur le coté gauche un système à ciseaux dont les fonctions sont multiples en références aux systèmes de leviers combinés.
Bas de page une image ambiguë :
Hochet pour certain, Toupie pour d'autres.
Peut être une interpellation (Hochet) pour dire que son système est un lanceur qui entretien l'inertie de la roue (fonctionnement de la toupie).
Fin de l'élucubration.
J.B
Elucidation of the day following the comment of Fletcher and in correlation of the orientations of Thx4
"There is no wheel in the Bessler system!!"
I think that the wheel is a decoy and serves only as a wheel of inertia to store the energy produced by its system.
Following this thought, the toy page can be interpreted as follows:
1 - no wheel
2 - in the center two alternating motion systems. The two joysticks diverge or converge.
These two systems can be coupled to have an opposite effect.
3 - on the right side a rudimentary chain, drawing too imprecise to be considered a ladder of Jacob.
4 - on the left side a scissor system with multiple functions in reference to combined lever systems.
Footnote an ambiguous image:
Rattle for some, Top for others.
Can be a stop (Rattle) to say that its system is a launcher that maintains the inertia of the wheel (operation of the router).
End of the elucubration.
J.B
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P.J. PROUDHON
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That is an interesting concept Shadow. I see just an equalization of forces though. I have my doubts you can be Kiiking both sides of the rotation. Just my thoughts and opinion.
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Bonjour Daxwc,
Ce n'était que des illustrations de liaisons entre jouets que je partage.
J.B
Hello Daxwc,
It was only illustrations of the links between toys that I share.
J.B
Ce n'était que des illustrations de liaisons entre jouets que je partage.
J.B
Hello Daxwc,
It was only illustrations of the links between toys that I share.
J.B
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P.J. PROUDHON
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Le problème est au niveau du pédalier: plus de poids à remonter que pour descendre!
The problem is with the bottom bracket: more weight to go up than to go down!
The problem is with the bottom bracket: more weight to go up than to go down!
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There are so many fakes around , the only reason people don't delete them from their channels is because it gives them attention and views and I suspect its also the same reason they create the fakes in the first place .
In contrast most videos coming from the people researching Bessler have been videos that show wheels/devices that do not work and the they also do not claim that they work .
In contrast most videos coming from the people researching Bessler have been videos that show wheels/devices that do not work and the they also do not claim that they work .
Its all relative.
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Ce modèle est plus équilibré mécaniquement.
Reste a trouver un surpoids dans la descente.
This model is more mechanically balanced.
Remains to find an overweight in the descent.
Reste a trouver un surpoids dans la descente.
This model is more mechanically balanced.
Remains to find an overweight in the descent.
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P.J. PROUDHON
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Essai avec pantographes:
Les proportions de détente et de contraction sont équivalentes donc équilibre.
Prochain essai: pantographe différentiel!!
Test with pantographs:
The proportions of relaxation and contraction are equivalent therefore balance.
Next trial: differential pantograph!!
Les proportions de détente et de contraction sont équivalentes donc équilibre.
Prochain essai: pantographe différentiel!!
Test with pantographs:
The proportions of relaxation and contraction are equivalent therefore balance.
Next trial: differential pantograph!!
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P.J. PROUDHON
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Pour le fun
for fun
for fun
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La seconde figure fonctionne mieux, les rouleaux sont double pour la différence de sens de rotation rainure et courbe
The second figure works best, the rollers are double for the difference of direction of rotation groove and curve
The second figure works best, the rollers are double for the difference of direction of rotation groove and curve
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Dernier principe testé:
8 boites traversant l'essieu.
Last principle tested:
8 boxes through the axle.
8 boites traversant l'essieu.
Last principle tested:
8 boxes through the axle.
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Thanks for that Shadow. That is fun to play with. I
Notice the balls only get close at center. I wonder what would happen if the balls magnetically repelled each other?
Notice the balls only get close at center. I wonder what would happen if the balls magnetically repelled each other?
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Heureux Daxwc que cela vous amuse, je prend moi même un certain plaisir à le faire.
Une amélioration pour passer l'axe de la roue.
Piste sans issue hélas!!
Happy Daxwc that it amuses you, I myself take some pleasure in doing it.
An improvement to pass the axis of the wheel.
No way out unfortunately!!
Une amélioration pour passer l'axe de la roue.
Piste sans issue hélas!!
Happy Daxwc that it amuses you, I myself take some pleasure in doing it.
An improvement to pass the axis of the wheel.
No way out unfortunately!!
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I tried Shadow making the wedge into a pendulum and pining it on to the back drop. Interesting but no better. There just is no multiplication of force anywhere. The two balls at center have to separate faster?
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Have you ever built anything using spheres? What was your experience? For me, I found that they roll back and forth as if they were water.
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