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[daxwc]

I have used marbles it didn't work well because the design was poor.

[daxwc]

I wonder what would happen if you tied the roller balls together with an SB but have ball 1 just short of the end of the track so it pulls ball 2 over. If ball 1 has momentum it will pull on 2. Try pairs first then threes. With two balls will they being connected together want to find center of mass? The storkbiill would have to be a lot shorter than the end of the track rim. You could put stoppers on the SB so they don’t fully extend.

Also one could try chaining them all together like a siphon chain. Hoping to pull the center over.

[spinner361]

For the spheres that are going up at such a sharp angle, does that angle increase the resistance?

Then also, considering sphere number five, it will want to roll counterclockwise going up the curve, but then it will want to roll clockwise inside the shaft. Is that right? Would that increase the resistance?

[SHADOW]

Bonjour Spinner,
Veuillez noter que les rouleaux jaune sont couplés a des galets en arrière plan qui compensent les sens opposés de roulement entre la rampe courbe et la rampe rectiligne.
J.B

Hello Spinner,
Please note that the yellow rollers are coupled with rollers in the background that compensate for the opposite direction of rolling between the curved ramp and the straight ramp.
J.B

[spinner361]

Okay. It took me a moment, but I get it. I think that keeping the cylinders rolling straight would be a huge challenge. Do you have ideas for that?

[SHADOW]

Bonjour Daxwc,
Je n'ai rien construit avec des billes ou des rouleaux.
Les essais présentés m'ont été inspirés par Thx4, utilisation d'un d'ascenseur.
Les essais ne sont pas concluant il manque toujours un pet de mouche pour que cela fonctionne!!!
Je vais réfléchir à l'opportunité de votre suggestion avec la liaison des rouleaux.
J.B

Hello Daxwc,
I didn’t build anything with balls or rollers.
The essays presented were inspired by Thx4, using an elevator.
The tests are not conclusive it always lacks a fly fart for it to work!!
I will consider the advisability of your suggestion with the binding of the rollers.
J.B

[SHADOW]

Daxwc,
Si j'ajoute de l'énergie coté montant il faut que je la prenne coté descendant.
La seule énergie disponible sans grever le coté descendant est dans le rebond des rouleaux!
J.B

Daxwc,
If I add energy on the up side I have to take it on the down side.
The only energy available without burdening the descending side is in the rebound of the reels!
J.B

[daxwc]

Shadow: If I add energy on the up side I have to take it on the down side.

Yes; maybe it needs to transfer weight without being there. Two balls tied together one cause more force in the other.

How Does The Chain Fountain Work? - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IwOeIZ00ZcM

[SHADOW]

Bonjour Daxwc,
Hélas nous ne disposons pas d'un puit sans fond dans la roue, pour générer l'effet de fontaine à chaine.
J.B

Hello Daxwc,
Alas we do not have a bottomless well in the wheel, to generate the effect of chain fountain.
J.B

[daxwc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puKevC5boFg

[Fletcher]

... How Does The Chain Fountain Work? - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IwOeIZ00ZcM

Hey dax .. the other day I mentioned about Wolff's theory that perhaps B's. Merseburg wheel had a 'super/superior' force on the down-going side i.e. 'g' plus another unknown acceleration to cause the weights to fall faster than what 'g' could achieve on its own .. see quote ..

Letter from Christian Wolff to Johann Daniel Schumacher, 3rd July, 1722 ... I suggest, therefore, that the weights on the wheel's periphery are attached by rods in such a way that when at rest on the lighter side of the wheel, they can be lifted, but when they start to fall, after the wheel has turned, they deliver a force on impact, acquired during the fall, onto a piece of wood which is fixed to the periphery. In this way, the wheel is put into rotation by the impact of the weights, which can be heard. But the force which drives the weights, does not come from the machine itself, rather it comes from some fluid, invisible matter by which the movement of the falling weights becomes faster and faster. Orffyreus' whole invention consists of an artful arrangement of weights, in such a way that they are lifted when at rest and acquire force during their fall, and in my opinion it is this that he keeps secret.

But I've never been able to think of a viable or practical, yet easy, way do that that ..

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Did you notice near the end in the explanation for the chain-fountain video you provided the experimenter says the 'effect' can collapse a chain-like structure (reverse chain-fountain) quicker than gravity can descend it in free-fall? This got me thinking about Wolff and his theory ..

Anyhoo - the question I have is do you or anybody have an explanation for why it should collapse quicker ? .. I'd like to see if WM also shows the same effect but I'm not sure I fully understand his explanation .. pics included .. does the COM drop quicker than an ordinary structure dropped in free-fall etc ? If it did it would be an applied superior force ..

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[Sam Peppiatt]

FWEIW,
Wolff is describing the on board gravity brake. A weight, about 4 lbs. (probably a short length of water pipe) slid in and out on a radial rod, with a spring fixed to the center of it and at 90 degrees to it. Wolff also mentioned that Bessler pushed down on it, then let it go. Which made a load noise when it flew back up.

Hears how it works. When the wheel is turning, the weight(s) tend to float causing minimal load on the wheel. Going down on the down side, it would thump the stop or board. The 8 thumps, remember? When stopped, the weights would sag down much farther,(except the two at 9 & 3), causing enough OOB to hold the wheel stationary.

Since, any force on the board would be radial it wouldn't help to turn the wheel. This also helps to explain why the last wheel turned slower than the others with no external load. I.E., the brake did add some additional internal loading. Also, a reporter did describe seeing such a spring and weight but later, rescinded it. I think he was forced to.

I've tried this with weights on linear ball bearings on a hardened and ground rod and a spring at right angles. It works----Sam

[daxwc]

Fletcher: Did you notice near the end in the explanation for the chain-fountain video you provided the experimenter says the 'effect' can collapse a chain-like structure (reverse chain-fountain) quicker than gravity can descend it in free-fall? This got me thinking about Wolff and his theory ..

Anyhoo - the question I have is do you or anybody have an explanation for why it should collapse quicker ? .. I'd like to see if WM also shows the same effect but I'm not sure I fully understand his explanation .. pics included .. does the COM drop quicker than an ordinary structure dropped in free-fall etc ? If it did it would be an applied superior force ..

Well I assumed it was leveraging down faster. Remember the video with the meter stick and the coin.

Every time I look at the pictures you posted I can’t get the falling Jacob’s ladder out of my head.

[daxwc]

Does anybody know if there is another video of the falling folded blocks?

[johannesbender]

Just search "the falling ladders" (I have watched about 2 in the past) .