Are You a builder?

[Jim Williams]

prime mover 
–noun 1. Mechanics. a. the initial agent, as wind or electricity, that puts a machine in motion.
b. a machine, as a water wheel or steam engine, that receives and modifies energy as supplied by some natural source.

2. means of towing a cannon, as an animal, truck, or tractor.
3. Also called unmoved mover. Aristotelianism. that which is the first cause of all movement and does not itself move.
4. a person or thing that initiates or gives power and cohesion to something, as an idea, endeavor, or organization.


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[Ben]

If you buy them at Autozone, they come with a lifetime warranty.

[primemignonite]

The Prime Mover is That which caused-into-being all that is.

When considering this Prime Mover, illimited reverence and a feeling of utter insignificance, I would not-so-humbly advise.

'Twas a tiny speck of this living essence - vis viva - that Bessler was given gift-wise, and he did not slap the Giver in the face out of gratitude, as many here (as I've observed by reading) given the same, would take great joy in doing, and exclaiming doubtless loud all-the-while "ME!, ME!, ME!, it's all about ME!"

(Most vow 'humble pie' and other such cheap platitudes as I've often seen said, but damned few would ever eat of it, I'd bet, given the royal chance. The little hypocrite within is forever at it!)

Life is deceptively short, and only too soon the beckoning finger of bone urges

'Pssst! . . . come hither . . . sand's all run out! Now, ME's ALL MINE!!'

Those few seconds before breathing one's last, do say THE TRUE TALE to the hearer. The message of expiration puts the lie aplenty to those illusions and delusions, that were, in the end, as nothing always was, and forever shall be.

Here, worship of will, self, and of the mere-made, is an eternal dead end.

James

[graham]

James, it seems you are in one of your "dark" moods and although much of what you say is true it is not well to dwell here too long.

I think it was Einstein who once said :
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

So we should not take it or ourselves too seriously

Graham

[rlortie]

Jim Williams wrote;

prime mover 
–noun 1. Mechanics. a. the initial agent, as wind or electricity, that puts a machine in motion.

3. Also called unmoved mover. Aristotelianism. that which is the first cause of all movement and does not itself move.

Take heed my friend, take heed!

Ralph

[primemignonite]

Graham, you always give me cause for a chuckle or two.

Of course you are correct, dark it is, but oh-so-necessary of doing. Someone has to take the risk of receiving directed, breathed fire from the army of stubborn dissenters!

Such as I do is sometimes required in order to penetrate life-long growths of head bone, that affliction admitting of no thing perceivable, as possibly being dangerous to "holy" false-ego, and to self and it's counter productive, wasteful urges.

In vital ways many of us are unconscious, some to the point of being zombie-like, even, and as such, perfectedly unaware of the terrible condition itself - some denying of this even to death, defending the raw indefensible all along the way, into eternity.

In such a plan-unawares as adopted, WHERE is the gain to be had from it, I ask?

Of course, there is none.

Weishaupt, that bete noire of the theorizers upon conspiracies, he who endeavored for the destruction utterly of all altars, all thrones, of all governments etc., proto-communist supreme, on his death bed, took the final Holy Rites from the very Church he attempted to murder!

Yes, even the devil's disciple himself understood the wiseness of covering his bets before breathing his last. Were his pleas for salvation and mercy granted by Divine Grace? It's not for us to say, but, we might have some reasonable ideas on it?

Would I not love to be the eavesdropping fly gracing the wall, listening to last gasps and pleas to the Maker of us all, as will be done as Weishuapt did, by certain personages big on this site. How pleasurable it would be to have reinforced my 'faith' in the cheap, self-deluding power of the hypocrisy of man.

Dark!

Yes!

Be well, Graham.

James

[graham]

James, it is very apparent that you are not a "Lover of Humanity" but stand to the side as an observer of the masses .
But let me ask you this, the titlle of this thread.

Are you a builder?

Graham

[Michael]

Maybe if James wore a sackcloth and carried a lamp he be more like the personage he aspires to be like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope

So if you go now, and come and tell us: “Everything at Rome is terrible: Death is terrible, Exile is terrible, Slander is terrible, Want is terrible; fly, comrades! the enemy are upon us!� we shall reply, Get you gone, and prophesy to yourself! we have but erred in sending such a spy as you. Diogenes, who was sent as a spy long before you, brought us back another report than this. He says that Death is no evil; for it need not even bring shame with it. He says that Fame is but the empty noise of madmen. And what report did this spy bring us of Pain, what of Pleasure, what of Want? That to be clothed in sackcloth is better than any purple robe; that sleeping on the bare ground is the softest couch; and in proof of each assertion he points to his own courage, constancy, and freedom; to his own healthy and muscular frame. “There is no enemy near,� he cries, “all is perfect peace!�

[primemignonite]

Graham,

Back on topic!

Yes, I am a builder, but mostly of things other than "PM" wheel attempts.

There is only one, and it is but a twelve incher.

I made it so that I could attach parts and rearrange them easily so as to observe the various effects resulting, after having pondered and designed all first.

The way I left it is curious. A bit more has to be finished and added, and then, assuming it does not work, I would be happy to show it on the Forum so it can be picked-at, criticized and made fun-of by the usual puffing bullies of the Forum.

(really, they are most finished experts at damage-doing and pain-making, some being transcendent masters of the infliction of grief to their doubtless elevated, groin-substituting, sick pleasure. Remote control sadism made into ART and transparent as glass!)

OK, I answered your topical question, with a little bit of extra for color and fun, thrown-in.

Your observation that I am not a lover of my own human kind is an interesting one. I had never thought of myself nor my case, in such a light.

You may be right, Graham!

As I have lived them myself and observed in others, human relationships are generally real losers, and this in most ways.

They seem to boil down to some form or other of mutual exploitation, this unvaryingly to the utterly useless benefit of false-ego gratifications, and therefor, resulting in weird emotional concoctions far too complex (and neuroses-filled), for sane minds to long-endure.

We are a squabbling, irrational and pathetic, frustrated species, that thinks too long and much in wrong ways, and not enough in the right, and, we DO LOVE tormenting one another!

(This being mainly a to-purpose, taught defect. What passes for social behavior being but slaves struggling desperately to continue believing themselves free. It is a joke, and a really dirty one, as played by the personified corporate fiend, ever at work!)

All-in-all, I'd say not very respectable nor loveable!

Your query was pertinent and nail-head-on. We, all of us, have come to expect no less, and are never to be disappointed when, finally, you do put pen-to-paper.

Thanks for it, Graham.

Respectfully Yours

James

["Flowery"!]

[ovyyus]

We are a squabbling, irrational and pathetic, frustrated species, that thinks too long and much in wrong ways, and not enough in the right, and, we DO LOVE tormenting one another!

James, I certainly agree with the first part of your above quote.

I'm not sure about the middle part though. I strongly suspect that doing things wrong is a part of getting things right. Unless of course you're talking about some form of Divine right or wrong, which is of course the product of belief. I guess you already know my thoughts on belief.

The last part is obviously true. However I think you rashly lump torment into one bad pile. That's clearly not how it is. Neither good nor bad torment drives the transformation (I didn't want to say evolution) of we organisms. Respect your torment and get out more :)

[graham]

James tells us:

There is only one, and it is but a twelve incher.

And that's just how it should be . In addition to that it should clearly demonstrate the principle of its' own "self motive force".

In the early years I always built "large and heavy" a sort of "Brute Force" approach. I had visions of powering my house with its' unlimited free energy.
A chicken before the egg situation that is easy to succumb to but with time and failure one eventually learns that this is not the way to go.

So the lesson here is "discover the principle then build the wheel". Not build the wheel and hope that the principle will reveal itself to you.

I would be happy to show it on the Forum so it can be picked-at, criticized and made fun-of by the usual puffing bullies of the Forum.

Go ahead James, show us what you've got . Unless of course you are thinking of taking the "patent" route and wish to remain under cover.

Graham

[coylo]

Would I not love to be the eavesdropping fly gracing the wall, listening to last gasps and pleas to the Maker of us all, as will be done as Weishuapt did, by certain personages big on this site. How pleasurable it would be to have reinforced my 'faith' in the cheap, self-deluding power of the hypocrisy of man....

I would be happy to show it on the Forum so it can be picked-at, criticized and made fun-of by the usual puffing bullies of the Forum.
(really, they are most finished experts at damage-doing and pain-making, some being transcendent masters of the infliction of grief to their doubtless elevated, groin-substituting, sick pleasure. Remote control sadism made into ART and transparent as glass!).......

We are a squabbling, irrational and pathetic, frustrated species, that thinks too long and much in wrong ways, and not enough in the right, and, we DO LOVE tormenting one another!

Oh James, what dreams may come, when we have shuffle'd off this mortal coil!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zEVZGuU3BU

Does anyone have the telephone No. for the Samaritans?

[primemignonite]

Sorry for being absent for too long, and not attending to things as I should have.

(A note before beginning: Occasionally, when I am composing for posting, I catch glimpses of leavings left by certain personages, who's names I have set to "Ignore". This is why I can be seen sometimes to have nothing for them, and their impertinent and rude, rhetorical defecations. There are only three of such. They know who and what they are, and more-or-less why they have been excommunicated. Only so-much will I abide, and then, they are O-U-T! I expect no less in-return, from any of my own objecting detractors.)

[James! Much the same might easily be said OF YOUR OWN 'offerings'!]

Bill, you said "I'm not sure about the middle part though. I strongly suspect that doing things wrong is a part of getting things right. Unless of course you're talking about some form of Divine right or wrong, which is of course the product of belief. I guess you already know my thoughts on belief."

Yes, I am aware of some of them, certainly, but agreeable is your notion that having to go through wrongs in order to achieve what's right. It is easily appealing to logic.

I intended to get across that the perversion of this usually workable sequence, is purposely taught to become a dominant behavior, and this to palpably wicked and enfeebling ends. (It is accomplished by means of the use of deception and misdirection, which is but a small part of the program of degradation accomplished, by devices far worse than mere mis-education.)

I believe that, mainly, Bill, it isn't any longer organized religions that are primarily instrumental in effectively bringing about malaise of intellect, but rather, now, THOSE OTHER 'usual suspects' - the life and blood of the ones who, more-and-more effectively these days, theorize-about and expound-upon conspiracies, and the like.

As the centuries-old plantings of those hidden ones now begin to sprout most hideous fruit, the stock of their exposer/detractors goes ever-up, as well it should.

And finally, as postlude to what came before, I am advised by you, Bill, that "Respect your torment and get out more :)" to which I respond with "By nature and inclination, I am definitely not masochistical of tendency!" :-)

I believe and accept that much of First World humanity is damaged past the point of repair, by the means as I've briefly mentioned before, and, that they really cannot be rallied nor fixed by practical means, given the time that's left.

An easy sign of this to look for, is that blank look often seen, when they are presented with reasoning attempts. This is becoming increasingly the case. Thank goodness (or happenstance) for the many exceptions, but even they suffer insertion into the grinding machine of both mind and spirit, and without pause.

Graham, part of my nature is prudence and precaution (but NOT as it might to writing, however, as if this were not already apparent) and the reason it, my wheel, started out that small, was because I knew that if it ever became necessary, I could put it into a paper bag, and escape any MIB's in-pursuit. Also, materials and parts for use in such a diminished size, even though possibly exotic, would always be inexpensive, and so it has all proved to be, minus the MIB's.

A working Bessler Wheel of three or more feet in size, say, would be just custom-made for seizure by such roguery, as general governments (ever-contra their own peoples) do employ.

(Government As Entity, is a theory of mine in-the-works. It is the only way, or so I believe, to effectively understand why they behave and misbehave, and do things terrible, as they do. Without such an approach, all is truly but nibbling at the edges of things, and this never to any positive outcome. IT likes it this way.)

I agree that finding of the TRUE PRINCIPLE would be dandy in-the-extreme with no models ever having to have been built, but, the road to success, I think, needs much hands-on interaction in order to course to that glorious, final finish.

I will show it, Graham, and soon enough when I am sure that it will not go of it self.

And, no, I am not a patent guy on this one, Graham. No matter HOW finely cut or reasoned, the patents route argument is one just plotted out to perfection, for ending up in the very embrace of Hell itself!

All that wouild be required is but ONE seriously vexed, threatened group to be animated, and that would be that, the ensuing action appearing as 'just an accident'. (Accidents happen ALL the time, do they not?)

On this (as well as much else too) John Collins and I see eye-to-eye, as well as others who are of that belief, who have written much and eloquently on these most august pages of their master's.

Coylo, that sounds interesting, what you say. I will have a look at what's at the end of the link you've provided to YouTube. I'm not sure my FlashPlayer is the right one or in condition. It is all SO demanding, this computator stuff.

James

[Michael]

If anyone is interested, James is a little upset with me because I once openly asked him why he posted somewhere around 40 year old pictures up of himself instead of something current.

[scott]

LOL oh the drama :-P