Grease power

[preoccupied]

This image is more accurate. The distance to the gear on the left deducts from the distance of any weight to the right. So the red lines do provide some torque to itself but only a very small amount because it's a fraction of the weight because the the gear is twice as far from the axle as the red line of distance is so it's half of its own weight a mechanical disadvantage. The gear on the left would have to be over twice the size of the main wheel in order for the red line to lift itself but I think it's possible in that deranged circumstance for the red line to lift itself. Wouldn't that be cool?! Cowabunga!

It looks like with clockwork and escapements that a variation of this design could lift a weight upwards and keep it outwards with gears connected to an outer rim outside of the main wheel. The gear on the left could be of INFINITE SIZE and the red line can lift itself and the green lines can lift anything with infinite leverage. INFINITE LEVERAGE! INFAWNATE LEVERWAGE. Did I make a mistake? I can take criticism.

[preoccupied]

I learned by drawing the gears in my previous drawing how to draw a working example of my overbalanced wheel that it was about.

The distance in purple in the image is how much force is being put into lifting the weight up by the pulley and the length of the lever makes it lighter causing over unity. Clap. Clap. Clap.

I learned something from making these drawings. I thought that the total overbalanced force created by the weight went into lifting the weight but now I know that the distance to the gear at the rim also deducts lever distance from the overbalance of the wheel as it applies to the lifting of the weight. So the total overbalanced distance in orange is not what lifts the weight but instead that distance minus the radius of the wheel so the purple distance is what is lifting up the weight and the weight is lighter due to the long lever as well. It's good to learn because knowledge is power! Infinite power from gravity's pull. Now I am worried that I kill humanity by stealing its gravity and causing everybody to float into space in the future. People will use gravity for energy and destroy the planet. I sure am clever if I'm right about this device design.

[preoccupied]

I also learned that my gear example drawing is wrong too. The length of the weight being lifted is deducted from the radius of the gear on the left.

In my previous drawing of this I had the whole gear as an advantage to the load indicated in green there, but it's not, it's the remainder of the gear after you deduct the distance of the lever being lifted. So in green I Have a smaller amount in this MS Painting because the red portion is deducted from the radius of the gear as a mechanical advantage. AM I RIGHT? So the green lines distances should lift the red line distance I think. If there were clockwork it could lift the weight into position and then let it drop back down into a right angle position although with drawing all of it I don't know how the weights would sit around the wheel. but just to speculate, that an amount of lever over balanced could lift one up with a gear arrangement like this and the let it drop back down to a permanent right angle position on the wheel for the remainder of the turn before it's lifted again. This would require a lot of clockwork but would be a variation of a working overbalanced wheel based on the concepts that I"m discovering.

[preoccupied]

I calculated that 3/4th torque of one lever being lifted by more than 4x the length of the weight on the lever connected to the ramp would equal 3 whole weights that could be lifted by the 3/4th of a lever distance torque. 3 weights are being lifted at once, pushing three levers along the ramp at once. So this drawing should be able to be a working Bessler wheel based on my research. YOU NEED a TINY device and LONG LEVERS compared to the overall Diameter of the whole thing that would be placed behind a veil so nobody can see how it works when Bessler used it in the castles. Congratulations boys. I think I've done it. Now if I only had any friends. haha

[JUBAT]

How much would you charge us collectively to go back in time and take a peek in Bessler's wheel then come back and tell us all about it?

[preoccupied]

I appreciate your enthusiasm about time travel. Would you really go back in time to interrupt Bessler's wishes? Besides his wheel is probably a variety of wheels. If you steal one of his wheels then his clues for all of his designs would be a mystery because they wouldn't have been invented in the first place. Looking for an overbalanced wheel is hardly a discovery worth breaking time continuity over, I have invented better things than that but I'm not sharing them. I used to be more impressive without the brain damage. I BET one of them over balanced wheels is this thing that I drew above. I am a little misleading in my calculations and that's because i didn't put a lot of thought into it yet. So what I drew should work but it isn't lifting 3 levers, it's lifting 2 levers at once because the top lever on the ramp can tip off of it a little early allowing the bottom lever on the ramp to come into place just after it leaves. So it's 1 whole lever distance divided by 3 extra lever distances after the weight which is 0.33 and times that by 2 it's 0.66 and that's less than 0.75 lever that is driving the wheel. This is like minimal overbalance like a toy. If you increase the diameter of the wheel by making the lever longer it could be like this: 1/5=0.2 and 0.2*2=0.4, which is less than 0.75 and you get 0.35 lever worth of power instead of 0.14 with five distance extra lever length from the weight. Do that and make the weight really heavy by making it like a large cylinder of iron or tungsten or something something and you have MORE POWER.

JUBAT have you looked at my drawing? Does it show up on your computer? Can't you see what I have, sir? This is one of Bessler's wheels. Obviously.

[preoccupied]

I think this is how the gears would behave if they try to lift things within the wheel using an outer rim for the gear to interact with and the overbalance of the wheel driving the gear. The distance in purple might be able to drive the weight up by itself if the gear on the left is very large like maybe twice as large as the main wheel. It would look awkward but it would work.

[preoccupied]

If anybody could help me simulate this design I would greatly appreciate it.

I calculate that this is the most efficient version of the design for its relative size. Making the whole of this mechanism larger increases its power because the lever distance to the weight is longer on a larger mechanism. "the wheels power is proportional to its diameter" Johann Bessler.

[preoccupied]

I learned from Sam Peppiatt that a stork's bill can be pushed by hanging a weight from it when previously I only knew that a lever could be pulled by the handle. So I drew a ramp where the drive weight is always balanced. It shares similarities to SHADOW and Sam's idea.

It's like a twisted transistor.
KoRn - twisted transistor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msTVnawtLVw

[preoccupied]

I went back to swastika designs with this variation of the stork's bill. The bottom stork's bill is precontracted in so once the top stork's bill is out it is unbalanced. With 8 weights it would be constantly unbalanced I think because the lever used to contract the bottom stork's bill has a lot of mechanical advantage. That weight is being lifted very very lightly.

[preoccupied]

Instead of having the lever activate for 90 degrees I think it should complete the contraction within 45 degrees then by giving a full 45 degree section that is overbalanced relative to the other parts.

[SHADOW]

Bonjour, Préoccupied
Ma conclusion sur les déplacements horizontaux c'est qu’ils correspondent aux déplacements angulaires.
Le seul avantage est qu'il faut moins de poids pour la chute verticale pour déplacer un poids horizontalement.
Mais hélas la factorisation du poids par la distance de déplacement ne compense pas pour avoir une rotation de la roue.
J’ai trouvé un bon moyen (et c'est la seule chose que j'ai pu confirmer) il faut mettre le poids le plus sorti à 3h pour se rendre compte qu'il génère une différence entre le nombre de poids moteur et le nombre de poids à lever.
Ma conclusion est que s’il y a déplacement de poids il ne peut se faire que radialement ou pseudo radialement.
J.B

Bonjour, Preoccupied
My conclusion on horizontal displacements is that they correspond to angular displacements.
The only advantage is that it takes less weight for the vertical drop to move a weight horizontally.
But unfortunately the factorization of the weight by the distance of displacement does not compensate for having a rotation of the wheel.
I found a good way (and this is the only thing I could confirm) to put the weight out at 3am to realize that it generates a difference between the number of engine weight and the number of weights to lift.
My conclusion is that if there is a shift of weight it can only be done radially or pseudo radially.
J.B.

[preoccupied]

Instead of having the lever activate for 90 degrees I think it should complete the contraction within 45 degrees then by giving a full 45 degree section that is overbalanced relative to the other parts.

I think that the lever can be longer than I've drawn it if necessary. It probably needs to be 3x longer or that's just a little bit of gravy (overcompensation).

[preoccupied]

The spring that pulls up the weight can pull up the weight when it hangs 45 degrees but not more than that. At least not much more than that or not more than that at all. If the wheel were to sit in position starting where the lever on the top left is at 45 degree angle and if it were allowed to swing the weight all of the way up and tap on the wheel, the impact should without any friction cause the wheel to come back into position to do it again. However, :D - the spring will apply more torque if the wheel is turning before it swings the weight upwards because it will be applying force against a lever further away from the axle. This should drive the wheel, the lever is the prime mover because it has extra torque as long as the wheel is moving some.

I've noticed that my ideas are not being recognized very well. I haven't made friends here that I hoped I would make. I'm telling you guys I am Sir Isaac Newton himself. I did a time loop year 2001 and became Sir Isaac Newton when I was a young teenage boy and returned to the future. I would be more impressive without the brain damage. I appreciate SHADOW looking at my design but he didn't go into a lot of detail about it. I bet that the simulation software couldn't handle the new concept in physics or it worked and he is keeping it a secret.

[WaltzCee]

I've noticed that my ideas are not being recognized very well. I haven't made friends here that I hoped I would make.

maybe lower your expectations. Begin with your ideas.