The Solution To Bessler's Wheel

[DrWhat]

Work out what he didn't draw, omitted, and there we may find the answer. This is what I have been working on.

All my designs so far have been completely different to what Bessler has showed in MT.

He'd be too scared to give away too much.

[rounder]

well i have not posted in a while ,but you can add my name to the list of people who might say that they have a working design in mind, i have yet to built a model ,but i am looking into acquiring the parts to build one. It is practical, simple and working model supports the claim. I feel confident within the way which work can be done with the idea at hand. -

[DrWhat]

Rounder, I think we all have had a model that will definitely work, and our enthusiasm at that revelation is awesome, until we build and suddenly move on to the next design.

I have learnt not to brag (not saying that you were) as the truth hits hard after I have told those closest to me "this is it", and failure ensues! Still, eternal optimism is what I hold dear.

"Until we get a turner
We remain just a learner.
Wood, weights and springs,
Just a bunch of things.

When rotation does occur,
Many minds and hearts will stir.
The whole world will rave,
or you might end up in a grave!"

[evgwheel]

Love your post, thruth in a rhyme

[rounder]

true words indeed -I have been there before thinking that i might have a answer - only to overlook a design for a few months and find it is not so- but in this case i have been there and back with the concept -only to find an answer to the question i was asking of myself the whole time. i will not say i have solved this out of ego - i will just say i found the best answer to my own question.

[AB Hammer]

DrWhat

That is a cool poem.
I have no doubts that a wheel will work very soon. Let me tell you about one I made teaching my step son from k'nex. I am looking for some newer types of k'nex to finish an effect. All I have to do is touch one part and it turns on its own about 45% of a turn, and if I try to keep touching that part, it spins faster than I can keep up with it. Let me mind you no metals were added just the k'nex. I was testing a principal and trying to get my step son interested outside of video games at the same time. Sadly the video games are still winning.

[Jon J Hutton]

Sometimes the drawings were not his own ideas. Sometimes he added them to make fun of what others had tried and other times what looks like a real no brainier has an interesting twist that upon a closer look reveals a secret, some of the drawings he states that it was drawn to be added to another drawing.

JJH

[Dave]

John
Thank you for the defintion of principle versus technique.
Would you explain your new found principle? You can keep the technique
hidden until you prove the principle. I assume it is not a OB principle.

[DrWhat]

Just a followup from an earlier comment I made about Bessler's true claim that "no weights hang from the axle". I have been looking at AP and in the correct context it is obvious that his comment by Bessler relates once again to hanging weights and a cord used to pull the wheel into rotation using gravity. Ie a non "perpetual" wheel.

This means that we cannot exclude a major pendulum or pendulums attached to the axle.

[Stewart]

Just a followup from an earlier comment I made about Bessler's true claim that "no weights hang from the axle". I have been looking at AP and in the correct context it is obvious that his comment by Bessler relates once again to hanging weights and a cord used to pull the wheel into rotation using gravity. Ie a non "perpetual" wheel.

That isn't the correct context. Bessler is talking about how Wagner keeps comparing Bessler's wheel to his own. Wagner's wheel was a spring-driven spit-jack that hung from the wheel's axle and turned the wheel via a crankshaft. Bessler says:

Es muß im Rad Perpetuum
Alles zusammen geh'n herum;
Es läss't sich gar nichts darein mengen/ NB
Das stets bleibt an der Welle hängen;

In the perpetual wheel
everything together must go around;
nothing at all may be involved in it, NB
that always hangs/is_caught on the axle;

As you can see he is directly refuting that his wheel is anything like Wagner's, having nothing in it that always hangs from the axle. I'll leave you to decide for yourself whether you think this text allows you to rule anything out - but in my opinion I think this text would rule out the use of a pendulum that swings back and forth from the axle, or one that was used to simply provide a fixed point.

Stewart

[rlortie]

............. it is obvious that his comment by Bessler relates once again to hanging weights and a cord used to pull the wheel into rotation using gravity. Ie a non "perpetual" wheel.

This means that we cannot exclude a major pendulum or pendulums attached to the axle.

On another thread you spoke of a design on paper capable of what you ascertained was 270 degrees. If this design includes a pendulum or weights hanging from the axle I would be most surprised and would love to see more!

Ralph

[DrWhat]

Ralph,

Quite different to anything I've seen before here or elsewhere, but as I say, only on paper. So no guarantees.
I've moved on to quite different ideas now as I feel it would be hard to get it to do more, and unless it does more there is no use for it.

Stewart, I appreciate your precision.

D

[Bill_Mothershead]

The post here on patents reminds me of
the story of Eli Whitney and the cotton gin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Whitney

It seems the principle was so simple that every
farmer/plantation owner could just build their own.
Are you sure you are not about to repeat history?
Not a story of great happiness.

Come to think about it...reading about Bessler,
I wonder if he was really happy. He kept his
secret but I get the impression that maybe it
"twisted" his mind a little bit.

Question: how different would the world be today
if Bessler had mellowed in his old age and just
revealed everything? If the ghost of Bessler could
view what the world is actually like today vs.
what it might have become...do you think he might
have some second thoughts on keeping his secrets.

Hey, I really feel for those guys that like to 'think' but
probably will never build a wheel. I am a computer
programmer. If a "construction" project involves more
than duck tape and crazy glue then I am getting in
beyond the abilities that nature gave me. Even if I
absolutely knew the "secret principle" I would never be
able to build something that works...AND...I know it
and thus dont even consider trying. Sad but true.

While some of you are competing to see who can be
first to build a Bessler inspired PM wheel....may I
remind you that it is a very big world out there.
I suspect that there are a LOT more people experimenting
with PM magnet motors...and some of them look very
impressive...lots of RPMs and easy to see how they would
scale up.

Perhaps all you Bessler guys should conspire to start freely
cooperating/sharing to get something working ASAP
before the magnet guys come up with the next generation PM
and make you all obsolete.

[evgwheel]

Bill Mothershead
A Bessler inspired PM wheel will not become obsolete, even if solar panels cost comes down in a few years to a few dollars a panel (and that is likely with last weeks discovery) or magnet motors or anything else are efficient.
We all seek the one almost impossible goal, energy from gravity or even CF. the possibility of that is the feeling within the person who believes that it only needs a tweak of nature to accomplice. To me using magnets will not achieve this goal, however using the earth magnetic field would. All this wouldn’t make much sense to people without this passion, this is not quiet a lifestyle but it can become a big part of life. In most cases it is a harmless hobby we enjoy. (imo)

[KAS]

You can't always believe everything that Bessler says.

He contradicts himself so many times that it is hard to fathom the truth.
And the more he rants at the unbelievers who continually wind him up, the more his clues become blurred. It seems to me the only writings that resemble any shred of truth are those he wrote when the critics were quiet.

His wheel(s) may well have contained a centrally suspended pendulum weight contrary to the vague denial.

To give you a for instance, the attached velocity reading involves a multi lever system that is controlled by a pendulum weight that hangs from the axle.

It just keeps on accelerating although, unlike Besslers last wheel, it self starts.

I am in the process of building this particular one which may or may not prove this concept.

Kas