Video Proof Requirements?

[GadgetGeek]

I know that I am jumping way ahead of myself here, but if someone comes up with a working design, and intends to patent it (let's assume they have several college educations to pay for), what would be considered adequete proof without giving away the secret?

1. Does the wheel have to do external work or is it sufficient that it's spinning on its own?

2. Should the video show the wheel as it starts, spinning, and then stopped and started again?

3. Is a unidirectional wheel sufficient or must it be bidirectional?

4. Would a 360 degree trip around the device be sufficient?

5. Should the device be placed on a glass table to verify that there aren't any tricks?

[jim_mich]

1. If it can't do any work then it is almost useless, other than as a table top curiosity. But if it can overcome friction and keep turning then it is doing work.
2. No matter what you show on a video, if you hide the inside many will not believe it works. You will at some point need to display a full out in the open demonstration wheel. And you will need to show how and maybe why it works. So you will need to file a patent application first else you loose patent rights.
3. Unidirectional is great. Bessler only developed the bidirectional as proof that the wheel was not wound up. A long test time was also proof.
4. That is better than a quick short peek.
5. Even on a glass table there would be the possibility of an inter battery or such.

So the bottom line is file for a patent then show how it works! See my 'PLAN'... (I posted this a while back.)

[GadgetGeek]

I did read your plan (didn't remember who wrote it).

I was wondering what would be an acceptable demonstration video without losing patent rights.

How many countries do you need to file patents with? I thought they were all reciprical, and you just need to file with the U.S. (where I live).

Once you file the patent, can you display how it works without losing your rights?

[jim_mich]

An acceptable video without losing patent rights is keep the wheel guts hidden!

Many countries have reciprical patent aggreements, but you still need to file in the other countries, usually within one year.

If you don't care about patents in other countries then you can display the wheel guts and then file a patent in the US within one year. This is because the US has a 'first to invent' policy and if you can prove that you are the inventor then you are the only person that can get a US patent. Most other countries have a 'first to file' policy and anyone can file for a patent on your idea. The US is trying to change to a 'first to file' policy; which is being pushed by big coporations.

[DrWhat]

It's important to note that the "first to invent" rules in the US are changing. Changes are in progress to come in line with other countries so that the patent filing dates become the important dates. The changeover may take a year or two though, so the "first to invent rule" still stands.

[jupter]

what ever happened to tommyk ?????????????????????? or not...

[Deven]

I don't think a video would be sufficient proof. There are too many ways to hide an external source of energy.

Perhaps a WM2D video where you cover the guts and show in the properties menu that there are no motors would convince alot of people here. Also show the graphs. That is assuming that WM2D would work properly with overunity.