Mr. Bessler's power source

[winkle]

as always i am in a state of confusion about is it PPM or not PPM

if gravity is the power source that turns the wheel why are all wheels not always turning

if this wheel were built it would not have any additional gravity in put than was there before it was built

kinda like it is being built around a power source

how could that be considered an input of outside energy turning the wheel

what with gravity being everywhere all the time how can it be add or taken away

on the other hand Mr. Bessler said the weights were the power source

it does not matter how they act swinging falling bouncing bumping or jumping

if all wheels are not turning all the time then it seems to me like the mechanics and weights must indeed be the power source

i suppose what i am saying is the mechanics and weights take gravity which was less than useless for turning the wheel and changing it's potential into something quite powerful

question being is it the mechanics and weights that is the power source or is it gravity

it's clear you need both but which is powering the wheel

and that could maybe be considered 50% PPM

now i am confusing myself

[ovyyus]

What's PPM?

[winkle]

good point

i don't know what that PPM is

just go with what my intent was

just to be clear gravity in my opinion was is and will always be conservative unless some way is found to multiply it's abilitys

seems to me like once that has been accomplished whatever brought that increase would be the power source

or maybe not

[bluesgtr44]

So, is it mechanically driven or gravity driven?....supposing we find a mechanical arrangement that would suffice. LOL....which came first....chicken?...egg?


Steve

[AB Hammer]

bluesgtr44

Or would it be more like. Will it run? or it doesn't run. Is it Besslers wheel or is it an totaly new concept. If a new concept I think Bessler would be proud that some one found another way. But would be allot more proud if we can prove his credit to the world.

[bluesgtr44]

Hey Alan....

Or would it be more like. Will it run? or it doesn't run. Is it Besslers wheel or is it an totaly new concept. If a new concept I think Bessler would be proud that some one found another way. But would be allot more proud if we can prove his credit to the world.

I want that moment....the one where you see that special something. It actually gained for just that bit. You know what it was....and then the reality sets in and you just can't believe it has been that simple....annnnnd I can dream!


Steve

[winkle]

let me make sure i understand

if we had a working wheel in a spaceship ship spinning in space and the wheel were using what is called artificial gravity to cause it to turn

but wait a minute that would really be using CF to turn the wheel

i think i get it now

with a working wheel we can destroy the myth of both CF and gravity being conservative forces

am i getting close yet

[AB Hammer]

winkle

You went past the clouds and out into space, well may be. Who knows, someone may be just holding back, but I dought it at this time.

I just hope who ever finds the answer don't fall over dead from the excitement.

[winkle]

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[Jim Williams]

The high school I attended was was religion based. It was actually Episcopalian, but I'm not sure I know how to spell that. While there we had a religion class in which the Bible was held to be only a history book and not taught as the word of God at all.

My point is whether Bessler actually had a working wheel powered by gravity or CF or what, he certainly has made a history of himself. Not a small acomplishment in itself.

[KAS]

He would have made a bigger name for himself had he revealed the secret of his wheels.

He would have lost all the rights to his invention but his name would have been on a par with Newton, Einstien or Neil Armstrong.

Kas

[DrWhat]

KAS, I am now of the opinion that Bessler was not meant to reveal his wheel in his time. I am doing extensive work on a wheel design and also delving into the meanings of some of his writings. So I definitely am not going to quote sections of his writings that indicate that the wheel was meant to be revealed in the future. I believe that time is this time period. You should be able to find them yourself.

I believe his frustrations were due to the fact that he was "told" not to reveal the wheel to the world in his life-time. This drove him nuts. Various people supported him. Karl's main role was to assist him in PRINTING documents to enable evidence of his wheel to persist into the future. Karl understood what was to be done. To propagate the information so it would survive until the 21st Century when the time was right for the discovery to be made/revealed.

Put it this way, if I am able to discover the working of his wheel, there will be much more revealed than just the wheel. I will show you evidence that Bessler could predict something in the future PRECISELY. This may prove more than the existence of "perpetual motion" or whatever you wish to call it. It will reveal the existence of something else.

The first step is the wheel construction.

On the other hand I could be completely wrong!

[Jim Williams]

I don't mean anything by it, but better on a par with Neil Armstrong than with Jesus. Although if Bessler suceeded I'd say he will become more popularly know than either Armstrong or Him.

[bluesgtr44]

Drwhat.....

Interesting interpretations you have there....

Put it this way, if I am able to discover the working of his wheel, there will be much more revealed than just the wheel. I will show you evidence that Bessler could predict something in the future PRECISELY. This may prove more than the existence of "perpetual motion" or whatever you wish to call it. It will reveal the existence of something else.

I'm not sure about any ability to Prophesize, but I do think there is a good chance this will be about more than just an OOB wheel.....I think the principle, once revealed....might be able to be applied in other ways. This passage always intrigued me....

DT...pg. 212...J. Collins...."And in truth it now seems to me that the time is long overdue, now that I have achieved my goal, once known only to God, that I and the world should see this principle, in itself so simple, and yet at the same time so deeply hidden, of everlasting motion, described in total detail and in mathematical simplicity, in praise of God's boundless wisdom and for the benefit of the entire world."

Couple this with the references to nature and natural....DT...pg. 181...J. Collins....."Indeed, things reached the point where the most intelligent people concluded that the reason for the so burdensome failure to realise the aforementioned noble project lay neither in lack of human endeavour, nor in shortcomings of mathematical skill, but was, rather, to be found in Nature herself, and her eternally ineluctable laws. And indeed, it was claimed, more than one self-evident mathematical truth could be said thereby to reveal itself."

AP...pg. 288-289...J.Collins..."But the point is, my invention is not fanciful - I haven't suddenly come up with an unheard-of form of matter; rather, I have invented something new from commonplace materials."

Wish you luck in your interpretation!


Steve

[sleepy]

Howdy All,
Spider webs,birds' wings,waves,raindrops,etc. All are examples of shapes found in nature which have already been put to use.Speaking of raindrops,it occured to me that sometimes I have been hit in the face with water that was poured from half way below the level of my face and somehow managed to "bounce" to more than twice the height from which it was dropped.Coincidence?