Perpetual Motion is Impossible

WaltzCee · Post by **WaltzCee** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:59 am

Machines which extract energy from seemingly perpetual sources - such as ocean currents - are indeed capable of moving "perpetually" until that energy source runs down. They are not considered to be perpetual motion machines because they are consuming energy from an external source and are not isolated systems.

When the stars break faith with the sky

Take exceptional note of the last sentence. There is no such thing as an isolated system, hence no such thing as perpetual motion.

No such thing as perpetual motion!

raj · Post by **raj** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:07 am

It does not really matter whether perpetual or not.

As long as it can run for a while, it can still be useful to mankind.

Raj

WaltzCee · Post by **WaltzCee** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:14 am

that's another bag of worms, Raj. Yet my point is by definition, perpetual motion is impossible.

My precise point is this: If you figure out something that can run a long time with no apparent energy source, don't try and call it perpetual motion.

raj · Post by **raj** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:57 pm

That's why I call my concept a gravity wheel, hoping it can rotate by gravity for SOME useful work for SOME time, possibly as free energy.

pequaide · Post by **pequaide** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:25 pm

When the Dawn Mission craft throws out its masses on the end of tethers; those masses conserve momentum and create large quantities of energy. This and other similar mechanisms are first-class perpetual motion machines. These machines cost $20.

raj · Post by **raj** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:46 am

Mass production of your $20 machine should give billions in return.
You should GO for it. Why wait.

TGM · Post by **TGM** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:59 pm

raj wrote:That's why I call my concept a gravity wheel, hoping it can rotate by gravity for SOME useful work for SOME time, possibly as free energy.

I agree with this. And the movement of galaxies CAN be deemed perpetual, because they will never stop until time ends, and THAT is perpetual.

Can someone build a perpetual motion machine? Of course not. Can one build a machine that can operate without any external force in the gravity well?

Of course...Bessler did. That's why we are all here.

Bill_Mothershead · Post by **Bill_Mothershead** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:12 pm

â€œImpossible is just a big word thrown around by small men
who find it easier to live in the world they've been given
than to explore the power they have to change it.
Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion.
Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare.
Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary.
Impossible is nothing.â€�

- Muhammad Ali

WaltzCee · Post by **WaltzCee** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:59 am

Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men

Impossible is not a big word.

It is impossible to sit and stand at the same time.

Here is an impossibility that I can't get my mind around. If the 2nd law is a fact, why is the universe expanding at an accelerated pace?

It seems impossible for both ideas to coexist.

Simply put, if the universe is accelerating in its expansion, when will it unwind? And how?

Impossible is a small word used to explain contradiction. Walt

jim_mich · Post by **jim_mich** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:49 am

Some things are indeed impossible. Other things are simply as yet unknown.

At one time it was thought impossible for man to go to the moon.
When I was a kid, more than 50 years ago, the Disney Land TV program stated that taking a rocket to the moon was impossible. The reason was such a rocket could not possibly hold enough rocket fuel for the round trip. But advances in rocket fuels and rocket engines, in combination with multi-stage rockets solved these problems.

At one time it was thought impossible for man to fly.
The reason was that man was too weak to propel an aircraft fast enough. And cast-iron IC engines or steam engines added too much weight resulting in a weight-to-power ratio that was too weak. But just as the Wright Bros. started experimenting, cast aluminum block engines were developed. Thus the weight-to-power ratio improved enough to make powered flight possible.

PM wheels rotated by gravity are impossible. It will take some time for PM seekers to understand this. It has often been said that if Bessler could make a PM wheel, then we should be able to also make a PM wheel. Unfortunately most all PM seekers seek a gravity-wheel. And since gravity is a conservative force, you CAN'T use gravity to keep a PM wheel rotating perpetually. It is like standing and sitting at the same time. A gravity-rotated PM wheel can't exist. It can't be done.

This leaves mainly two possibilities. Either Bessler's wheels were frauds (which I doubt) or Bessler's wheels were rotated by some means other than gravity.

If rotated by some other means, then what would this other means be? Does Bessler give us any hints or clues? I think he does. But you need to filter out erroneous translations and check the original German, else you get a twisted version of Bessler's writings. Of course I'm then accused of twisting Bessler's words because such don't agree with other people's previous erroneous translations. But really, am I right or are the past translations right? Past translators had a preconceived idea that Bessler's wheel was rotated by gravity. And this preconception worked its way into past translations. Throw out the past misconceptions that Bessler's wheel was rotated by gravity, and start with a clean slate, looking for reasons and hints in Bessler's writing as to what caused the wheel rotation.

Such causes of PM are not hard to find, if you open your eyes seeking something other than gravity.

raj · Post by **raj** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:02 am

1. A gravity-powered PM wheel can't exist.
2. Other things are simply unknown.

Could other things about gravity are simply UNKNOWN???

Raj

jim_mich · Post by **jim_mich** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:24 am

Gravity is a conservative force.
The source of gravity is rather unknown.
But the conservative aspect of gravity is fully known.

raj · Post by **raj** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:53 am

Is gravitational knowledge is now FINITE?

And Mankind will NEVER learn anything NEW about GRAVITY till end of TIME?

Gravity is a conservative force, is a knowledge gained through observation by SOME humans, for a pitiful 300 years in the life of the Universe.

jim_mich · Post by **jim_mich** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:20 am

The fact or knowledge that gravity is a conservative force is finite.

And as I wrote before, the source or actual causes of gravity is still undecided.

Mankind will never learn anything NEW about gravity being a conservative force.
Gravity is what it is. A weight lifted upward causes an equal downward force, and vice versa.

There is still much to learn about what causes gravity.

ruggerodk · Post by **ruggerodk** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:15 am

Had Newton not been such an ignorant, maybe we would have learned something new about gravity . . . and maybe the 'finite' laws that we know would have been different.
Just maybe . . .

regards ruggero ;-)

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