there may be magic

[winkle]

does enybody one know what the meaning is of the word Orffyre..........seems like it may be decorated border......eny opinions

[jim_mich]

B = O
E = R
S = F
S = F
L = Y
E = R
R = E

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ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
NOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLM

[winkle]

the definition........please............also does eny one how many verses of scripture Bessler used........maby what verses they were

[jim_mich]

Come on winkle! There is no definition. It is just a code Bessler used. This information in on the internet and in John Collins books. Do we need to spoon feed you? Do some Google searching. Buy some books. Educate yourself.

You asked a question. I showed you the answer. If I knew I was talking with a 13 year old kid here I might have more patients.

[Techstuf]

Jim, I didn't know you were a doctor! And am even more surprised at why you would feel that conversing with a young teenager would increase your practice.....that must be one influential 'kid' you're talking about!


(buddum bum)


Thanks folks, I'll be here all week!


(insert collective groan here)

[winkle]

Come on winkle! There is no definition. It is just a code Bessler used. This information in on the internet and in John Collins books. Do we need to spoon feed you? Do some Google searching. Buy some books. Educate yourself.

You asked a question. I showed you the answer. If I knew I was talking with a 13 year old kid here I might have more patients.

............................that oppion was'nt verry helpful........butt......thinks enyway

[winkle]

i have no interest in a patent.....................................................the vues of a sixth grader.....................guys i posted a poem some time back....on...... i am qualified.........the calf path........seems like no one bothered to understand what it was saying.............looks like i need to give a hint............would a big one be all right.........everything i have seen shows using the space between the axel and edge of wheel ..........that won't work.........go out to the edge of the wheel........place the weights propely and let them swing either to the right or left........both ways if using paired weights..........i think you will find them easier to bring back to start .........if you do this just right.....the set at 2:00.......if using paired weights...2:00 will push it's self out and the set at 8:00 will pull it's self in toward the axel........more than that to it but i will stop here.............unless you really need another clue................................................................................................................................................................................................................i might be qualified..........don't count me out just yet.................................................................there are are other places to attach the weights but they must move in this fashion

[Jonathan]

Winkle, the poem wasn't that dense, I think everyone got it. In that thread I said it was a good poem.
Jim's comments were 100% helpful and correct. It's not a word, just a name. Though you may have heard the word "orphrey" before, and that is similar enough to make you feel that "orffyre" has meaning.

[winkle]

why are you convinced it does not have meaning......i belive it means drecrated border

[jim_mich]

"drecrated" doesn't mean anything, it's not a word!

[ovyyus]

I think he means "decorated". Then again, might be "desecrated" or "desiccated"?

[Jonathan]

Winkle, "orphrey" means "decorated border", whereas "orffyre" is the output of a monoalphabetic substitution cipher (in Bessler's AP, he mentions learning kabbalah from a rabbi). Similarly, "ovyyus" is a latinization of "ovyy" which is the output of the same cipher for the input of "bill". But certaintly you don't insist that "ovyy" is a word.

[rlortie]

"drecrated" doesn't mean anything, it's not a word!

Ha! wait until your lathe is delivered and you have to decrate it to set it up. It took three men and a little boy to decrate mine. :)

Ralph

[ken_behrendt]

I have often wondered exactly why Bessler chose the name "Offyreus" and I think I have a possible reason.

Aside from the fact that "Orffyreus" can be made by substituting the letters in "Bessler" with the diametrically opposite letters in a circle made from the alphabet to get "Orffyre" and then adding "-us" to Latinize it, I think that he liked the word "Orffyreus" because it sounded like the German version of the Latin AND Greek name "Orpheus".

As you may all recall from your study of Greek mythology, Orpheus was a poet musician with magic musical powers that allowed him to entrance people with his music. When his beloved wife, Eurydice, died, he got permission to descend down into the underworld in order to use his music to lure her back to the upper world and, thus, to restore her to life. However, he was admonished that he was not to look at her while leading her back. Unfortunately, he did look at her and she was lost for good...

Orpheus' music was considered to have hypnotic powers and he is credited with certain mystic doctrines and rites that were used in the worship of Dionysus.

Because Bessler was into music and ancient literature he would certainly have been familar with the myth of Orpheus who was identified with the occult. By selecting the pseudonym of "Orffyreus", Bessler may have been trying to tell his patrons that he had special healing powers or was a student of hidden knowledge...

ken

P.S. IIRC, there was a movie made during the '50's or '60's that used the myth of Orpheus...it was called "Black Orpheus" and has been on late night television several times in the last few decades...

[winkle]

or mabe he gave us a hint about weights on opposite sides of the wheel......try this a u shaped bracket .....pipe shaped weight....with a hole drilled side to side one end....in sert bracket through weight ......attach the u bracket to edge of wheel with one side of bracket about 40 degrees lower than the other......fix in pairs......one to swing right another one to swing left.......need stops to keep them from swinging to far in...... put eight sets around wheel .....watch wheel run