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Posted by Scott Ellis (216.87.95.64) on April 25, 2003 at 00:32:11:

Whew!

As moderator, I guess it's about time I weigh in on all the recent activity here on the board.

First of all, thanks to everyone out there for using this board as a forum for discussing your ideas. You are all great contributors to this website, and to our search for the truth in general.

Now, there's no doubt that John Collins is the greatest contributor of all in the pursuit of verifiable facts and solid information about the Bessler Wheel. His tireless efforts have produced the lion's share of all the information we have to work with regarding the Bessler mystery.

John, I want to thank you for your hard work, and especially for making yourself and your knowledge available to the Bessler community around the world here on this discussion board. You are always patient, respectful, and generous. Thank you.

David, in spite of your harsh tone, you have also brought quite a few interesting ideas to the discussion. But I am making a personal appeal to you now; please tone down your use of aggressive and demeaning rhetoric. I encourage you to keep sharing your ideas and opinions, but I admonish you to do so without bullying.

John's theory that the two-directional wheels comprised an arrangement of opposing, one-directional mechanisms is based on the factual record, but is nonetheless speculation. David, your disagreement with John's theory is also speculation. To me, and I'm sure most other readers out there, it is a thoughtful and respectful exchange of ideas, not a violent clash of egos, that makes this subject interesting in the first place.

David, I recognize that you have made efforts in this regard and I appreciate it. But I am asking you to do more. You have raised some very interesting points and you clearly have a lot to offer to this discussion.
E.g.

the "fluid" theme in Bessler's writings about the wheel
some important discrepancies in the eyewitness testimony, including whether the bi-directional wheel was started with a "slight push" or a "strong push"
your theory, in opposition to John Collins', that two opposing one-directional mechanisms would cancel each other out and produce no net torque, rather than one-half net torque (Let me reiterate, however, that even though your theory is interesting, it has no more rational basis than John's theory, since a one-directional device by itself is a theoretical construction to begin with.)

David, I don't know (or care) what your issue with Murilo is all about, but I assure you that I can tell from the IP addresses and domains that Pete and Murilo are not the same person. Anyway, even if they were the same person, I do not appreciate your using this discussion board as a forum for some kind of personal flame-war or vendetta. As you know, David, I will not censor someone here because of the particular ideas that they express. But I do have a duty to step in when the board is being misused. Please stop making my job difficult by blurring that line!

Here is my call to all users of this discussion board:
There are so many interesting things to talk about here. Let's not weaken our arguments by resorting to aggressive and demeaning rhetorical tactics. Even though the Internet often seems faceless and impersonal, let's try to remember that there are human beings, with a lot in common with ourselves, on the receiving end of each of our posts here. Please don't hit "Submit" unless you would feel comfortable saying the words you're submitting to the face of someone you care about and respect.

Best to all, (and keep posting!)
Scott

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Comments:	: Whew! : As moderator, I guess it's about time I weigh in on all the recent activity here on the board. : First of all, thanks to everyone out there for using this board as a forum for discussing your ideas. You are all great contributors to this website, and to our search for the truth in general. : Now, there's no doubt that John Collins is the greatest contributor of all in the pursuit of verifiable facts and solid information about the Bessler Wheel. His tireless efforts have produced the lion's share of all the information we have to work with regarding the Bessler mystery. : John, I want to thank you for your hard work, and especially for making yourself and your knowledge available to the Bessler community around the world here on this discussion board. You are always patient, respectful, and generous. Thank you. : David, in spite of your harsh tone, you have also brought quite a few interesting ideas to the discussion. But I am making a personal appeal to you now; please tone down your use of aggressive and demeaning rhetoric. I encourage you to keep sharing your ideas and opinions, but I admonish you to do so without bullying. : John's theory that the two-directional wheels comprised an arrangement of opposing, one-directional mechanisms is based on the factual record, but is nonetheless speculation. David, your disagreement with John's theory is also speculation. To me, and I'm sure most other readers out there, it is a thoughtful and respectful exchange of ideas, not a violent clash of egos, that makes this subject interesting in the first place. : David, I recognize that you have made efforts in this regard and I appreciate it. But I am asking you to do more. You have raised some very interesting points and you clearly have a lot to offer to this discussion. : E.g. : <ul> : <li>the "fluid" theme in Bessler's writings about the wheel : <li>some important discrepancies in the eyewitness testimony, including whether the bi-directional wheel was started with a "slight push" or a "strong push" : <li>your theory, in opposition to John Collins', that two opposing one-directional mechanisms : would cancel each other out and produce no net torque, rather than one-half net torque (Let me reiterate, however, that even though your theory is interesting, it has no more rational basis than John's theory, since a one-directional device by itself is a theoretical construction to begin with.) : </ul> : David, I don't know (or care) what your issue with Murilo is all about, but I assure you that I can tell from the IP addresses and domains that Pete and Murilo are not the same person. Anyway, even if they were the same person, I do not appreciate your using this discussion board as a forum for some kind of personal flame-war or vendetta. As you know, David, I will not censor someone here because of the particular ideas that they express. But I do have a duty to step in when the board is being misused. Please stop making my job difficult by blurring that line! : Here is my call to all users of this discussion board: : There are so many interesting things to talk about here. Let's not weaken our arguments by resorting to aggressive and demeaning rhetorical tactics. Even though the Internet often seems faceless and impersonal, let's try to remember that there are human beings, with a lot in common with ourselves, on the receiving end of each of our posts here. Please don't hit "Submit" unless you would feel comfortable saying the words you're submitting to the face of someone you care about and respect. : Best to all, (and keep posting!) : Scott
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