Posted by John Collins (194.164.38.222) on May 04, 2003 at 00:04:19:
In Reply to: Re: 12 years experience in failed PM model building posted by Scott Ellis on May 03, 2003 at 17:08:12:
: Thank you Vlado and I'm pleased that my book re-ignited your interest in solving the PM problem. That was the main aim of the book, written at a time when my own reserach had come to a grinding halt and I wanted to get others to get involved in what I was trying to do.
Scott, you can do no more than you have done. But for the record I agree with the majority and if you decide to censor David then I support such action. Besslerwheel.com works because anyone can suggest any ideas without suffering ridicule - something we must all have suffered in our other lives when the cause we support becomes public property. How many of us have been laughed at, scorned and made to feel embarrassed when we are asked about our work in trying to solve the problem of Bessler's wheel? We shouldn't face such attacks here on our own turf.
John Collins
Hi Vlado,
: Thanks very much for your post. We all really appreciate your offer to share your knowledge and experience with the Bessler community. We'll take you up on it!
: Speaking of community, there is a blight on our little online community and he goes by the name of David. In his response to you below, he used the name Rick T. But I can tell from the IP addresses that it is just David up to his old tricks again.
: I have spent a lot of energy trying to reason with David, and lately I felt like we had been making progress. But now he's gone and crossed yet another line of decency and respect.
: I hate the idea of having to censor someone, but after this latest attack, I am thinking that such drastic action might be appropriate here.
: What do the rest of you out there in Bessler-land think?
: Thanks,
: Scott
: : Hi to all
: : I am new to this site, and have found the previous posts to be interesting reading.
: : I have been trying to build a working model for the last 12 years, long before I heard about Bessler, or had net access.
: : It seems the learning curve to a successful model is a long and slow one. Just as I was about to throw my hands up in despair, I came across the John Collins book, purchased it, and now have a sort of renewed faith in the possibilty, so to John, thanks for at least giving me re-newed hope.
: : I have university knowledge in Mechanical Engineering, and consider my knowledge of forces, angular and linear momentum, acceleration, centripetal force, torque, inertia, precession, rotation, the consevation laws, and all the rest, to be second to none.
: : I know in my head it should be impossible, however, my heart says there must be a way.
: : First off, let me say it can be very discouraging to build model after model, only to see them all dismally fail to spin.
: : I have not actually built a large number of models, probably around 6 in the 12 years, as 99.9% of the time I can, on paper, disprove that they will work.
: : Many hundreds, if not thousands, of drawings, calculations, etc later.
: : However, I have just completed my most ambitious model for testing purposes. It has been custom machined by various engineering shops to be highly modifiable, to allow a lot of different test simulations and configurations to be done on it. The parts are made from aluminium, tool steel etc, with many different arms, bearings etc, all CNC machined from billets. I figure at least building it this way, although longer and much more expensive, will allow me to test many different ways on the one model, rather than keep building specific model after model. I have also purchased test equipment to measure results, such as infared tachometers, speed indicators etc.
: : Having just taken final delivery of the last few components today, I guess I feel excited that at least some testing can now be done, rather than just calculate and theorise on paper.
: : If anyone is interested, I will post some pictures of it.
: : It has taken me almost three years to design, budget for, and get built.
: : I am now at a stage where I can test one concept at least which has been gnawing away at me for the last few years, and I