Posted by Joel L. Lewis (24.197.38.131) on June 04, 2003 at 16:45:55:
In Reply to: Re: Anyone see this? posted by Darren on June 04, 2003 at 15:48:45:
That's the argument I use to reassure myself it's not a hunt for El Dorado, at least:-D....
: : If Bessler's wheel WAS real, then we MUST ask the question why no one other than Bessler has ever discovered it. It is simply not credible to claim that the reason it has never been discovered by anyone else is because It is so difficult.
: : That is the Argument that Darren made. He says that the reasons no one else has ever discovered it are:
: : 1) It is so hard to understand that only a trained physicist could understand it. 2) All the trained physicists have been taught that it is impossible, so they never even try to discover it.
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: That's not exactly what I said, but I'll let that go ....
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: : However, it seems that Darren is wrong.
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: It seems *to you* that I'm wrong, but since you don't have any idea of how many "trained" people ae working on this, and you don't know how difficult the solution is, then you have no grounds to say whether I'm wrong or not.
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: : Many trained physicists DO believe it may be possible, and some of them have even created devices that defy our current understanding of physics.
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: "Many"? How many? Who are they? Where are they?
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: : We must also keep in mind that the only person to have ever seen inside Bessler's machine is reported to have said that it was so simple that he was surprised that no one else had ever discovered how to build such a machine before Bessler.
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: That Karl guy gets quoted alot, doesn't he? And every time I hear him quoted it changes slightly...
: Look at it this way... If I took someone from Bessler's time (or even earlier) and showed him a very basic, very simple ten-speed bike with shifting gears he'd say wow, that's so amazing and simple... but they weren't invented until much later. things look simple in hindsight, doesn't mean it was easy to come up with the idea in the first place.
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: : Indeed. If perpetual motion and free energy really is possible, then it is made possible by a simple physical principle that any intelligent person could potentially discover in the right circumstances.
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: I wouldn't agree with the statement that *any* intelligent person could, but yes, it should have been found long ago. It's not *that* hard, but it is difficult enough to put off all but the most dedicated and presistent. And most classicaly trianed folks don't stick around that long because... "it's not possible" :-)
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: : It is simply not credible that Besler was the ONLY person in history to have ever discovered it.
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: That's your opinion. It makes perfect sense to me. Bessler devoted *decades* to development. Now take all the people today and in the past who had the skills to figure this out and tell me how many of them have spent that much time on the problem... now assume that a percentage of the result will have simply missed the answer... and a percentage of the rest will have died, gone bankrupt, lost interest, etc. To me it's entirely possible it's happened that way.
: Darren