Posted by Brett Smith (203.38.223.82) on August 12, 2002 at 15:58:32:
In Reply to: Re: lifters posted by Scott Ellis on August 12, 2002 at 12:09:07:
Hi Scott,
You are quite right, the voltage is very high, in my case approx 24-25k volts, (I've heard of much higher!) but the amperage is very minimal, yes it's dangerous but so is crossing the street!! Be sure to keep any children under "strict" supervision when doing experiments of this kind, all the instructions are on Naudin's site.
As far as the "ION WIND" theory go's, I'm not too sure as many people have done tests to disprove this, I really don't know what the "force" is but when the lifter is operating you can feel a very slight "breeze" coming from the lower side if you put your hand under it!! also a smell of what I would call "ozone".
If you operate it in the dark you can see an "AURA" of blue/purple light eminating from some of the edges. It's got me staring at it for ages as it floats on thin air. My lifter is held down by lengths of dental floss tethered to each corner to stop it from flying away!!
If you require any help or info don't hesitate to ask. I'm no genius and have no degree's at all but I have an interest in perpetual motion of the mechanical type as unfortunately I happen to be an "electronic idiot"!!! I have access to some very high precision miniture bearings, (I work in the aerospace industry on small turbine engine fuel eqipment)
and this may help in my exploits in building my own "Bessler" type wheel, I have received a lot of usefull information reading these posts and hope to one day realize "our" dream of PM.
Smithy.
: Hi Smithy,
: Thanks for your post. I have also wanted to get on the bandwagon and build my own lifter. I have thought, though, that they use extremely high voltage and would be rather dangerous to have around. Is this true?
: According to Naudin, his lifters are a "modern version" of the Townsend Brown Electrokinetic Apparatus. As far as I know, no one knows for sure yet why lifters work. There are at least 2 competing theories:
: 1) Lifters operate using the Biefeld-Brown Effect, which is electromagnetic in nature and could be used in outer space.
: 2) Lifters generate thrust by producing an "ion wind," and are therefore limited to terrestrial applications. (exciting possibilities nonetheless)
: Here is a great website for more information:
: http://www.americanantigravity.com/technology.html
: And here you can buy plans, kits, and fully assembled Lifters:
: http://www.amazing1.com/grav.htm
: -Scott
: : G'day Grim,
: : I've actually made one of these lifters, and they do work!!! Mine was powered by an old computer monitor and floats about 30-40cm off the surface of my kitchen table. It's a great conversation piece when friends visit!!
: : Smithy.
: :
: : : Thanks for the info on Jean Naudin's site, those lifters simplicity is genius at its finest. It's always impressive when something is built basically out of the basement "parts collection". There was supposedly a patent by a young boy in the 30's called "electric rocket" that was similar, but the capacitor was bulky, didn't generate a lot of thrust and was real hard to duplicate. Looks like this guy's got the bugs worked out for sure.
: : : Wonder if the thrust is a function of how much wattage one can feed it?
: : : By the way, I'll still keep everyone updated on the positive weight placement mech. for the wheel. Have just been busy with work and getting to eat sometimes takes priority. The jist of it is my daughter was playing with our curtain traverse rods, pulling the curtains back and forth when it struck me that the curtains moved in opposite directions as did her hands. The lightbulb popped on and I looked at J.B.'s drawing and lo and behold
: : : is a rope, weight and pulleys. Got four spring-arm pulleys from the hardware store, and am working out a modification of the throw-arms in the drawing so there is a pulley at the point end and one near the counterweight. If the weight is attached to a stout cord running the length of the