Re: Now what?

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Posted by John (207.150.66.33) on February 08, 2002 at 14:13:03:

In Reply to: Re: Now what? posted by Christopher on January 22, 2002 at 12:30:43:

Thanks for the info. Like yourself I started out tinkering and then after a few years I decided to "knock myself out". From wakeup until 3 o'clock in the morning thinking of and designing of "the" elusive wheel for about three years. I had quit over-partying(a nasty habit) and it is amazing how many interesting weight arrangements you can come up with-that are all perfectly balanced!-with a newfound clarity. You could work on this every day for the rest of your life and not come up with it. John John,

: I have been tinkering with designs for a long time too and have, on several occasions, come up with one that I just knew would work. Unfortunately, after applying all the proper mathematical calculations, it simply balanced. I can't tell you how many times I've arived at that same stupid 22.5 degrees and wanted to tear up my notebooks.

: I also have just recently arrived at a design that, once again, I know will work (did the math this time and got > 22.5 degrees!), but until I build a prototype it doesn't mean anything.

: There have been people claiming to have 'the answer' for hundreds of years but 'the proof is in the pudding.'

:
: If you wish to gift this idea to the world then your next step is to post it in detail on this discussion board.

: If you would prefer to make an attempt at marketing your idea then I suggest that you:

: - Refer to the following web site for initial information.
: http://web.mit.edu/invent/www/handbook/chapter07.html
: Don't forget to use non-disclosure agreements between you and anyone you trust with your idea.

: - Create CAD drawings of a prototype

: - Use the CAD measurements to doublecheck your CG, inertial calculations, etc. I've developed Excel spreadsheets for this because I got tired of writing out those long CG formulas :-)

: - Locate a local machine shop or plastics mold injection shop and provide them with a set of your CAD drawings so they can build part(s) you need that are otherwise unavailable.
: http://www.performanceplastics.com/
: (just an example, I don't work for them)

: - Build a working prototype

: - Go to http://www.randi.org/ and apply to take on his challenge. If you prove to him it's real you'll win a cool million that you can use to seed your new business.

: - Once you have a working model and the million you can patent your idea. Normally the patent office won't even accept patent applications that remotely resemble PM machines unless you have a working model
: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general (search for 'perpetual motion')

: - Collect your Nobel Prize for Science

: Just a note: I will be pretty upset if you get yours done before mine so... take you time :-)

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Comments:	: Thanks for the info. Like yourself I started out tinkering and then after a few years I decided to "knock myself out". From wakeup until 3 o'clock in the morning thinking of and designing of "the" elusive wheel for about three years. I had quit over-partying(a nasty habit) and it is amazing how many interesting weight arrangements you can come up with-that are all perfectly balanced!-with a newfound clarity. You could work on this every day for the rest of your life and not come up with it. John John, : : I have been tinkering with designs for a long time too and have, on several occasions, come up with one that I just knew would work. Unfortunately, after applying all the proper mathematical calculations, it simply balanced. I can't tell you how many times I've arived at that same stupid 22.5 degrees and wanted to tear up my notebooks. : : I also have just recently arrived at a design that, once again, I know will work (did the math this time and got > 22.5 degrees!), but until I build a prototype it doesn't mean anything. : : There have been people claiming to have 'the answer' for hundreds of years but 'the proof is in the pudding.' : : : : If you wish to gift this idea to the world then your next step is to post it in detail on this discussion board. : : If you would prefer to make an attempt at marketing your idea then I suggest that you: : : - Refer to the following web site for initial information. : : http://web.mit.edu/invent/www/handbook/chapter07.html : : Don't forget to use non-disclosure agreements between you and anyone you trust with your idea. : : - Create CAD drawings of a prototype : : - Use the CAD measurements to doublecheck your CG, inertial calculations, etc. I've developed Excel spreadsheets for this because I got tired of writing out those long CG formulas :-) : : - Locate a local machine shop or plastics mold injection shop and provide them with a set of your CAD drawings so they can build part(s) you need that are otherwise unavailable. : : http://www.performanceplastics.com/ : : (just an example, I don't work for them) : : - Build a working prototype : : - Go to http://www.randi.org/ and apply to take on his challenge. If you prove to him it's real you'll win a cool million that you can use to seed your new business. : : - Once you have a working model and the million you can patent your idea. Normally the patent office won't even accept patent applications that remotely resemble PM machines unless you have a working model : : http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general (search for 'perpetual motion') : : - Collect your Nobel Prize for Science : : Just a note: I will be pretty upset if you get yours done before mine so... take you time :-)
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