Posted by Georg Künstler (217.2.168.44) on January 15, 2003 at 14:51:31:
In Reply to: some (unsorted) thoughts posted by Rainer on January 15, 2003 at 12:26:25:
: Hi folks,
: some stuff that might have been already discussed, but hey .. if so, why not twice.
: Did some reading ( http://www.evert.de/eft764e.htm Perpetuum Mobile of the 4th kind - http://www.evert.de/eft732e.htm Bessler Problem solved .. *waves , Hi Georg, wie ist das Wetter dort am anderem Ende der Welt ;o)
: and finally back to the Apologica. Question ... is the directed to the Merseburg wheel? To see the stamps outside the wheel, reading of how a wheel like that might need a pulsed load change to keep going and finally in the Apologica "Children play among the pillars with loud heavy clubs."
: Children - paddles attached to the main shaft ?
: pillars/ heavy clubs - stamps ?
: Hard to believe that Bessler might have shown a mayor part of his design in public like this ... but smart one must admit. Everyone at that time might have thought that the stampers are just a demonstration of the work the wheel is able to produce. None might have imagened that the pulsed load applied to the shaft by the paddles hitting the stampers might be a mayor factor of the whole Bessler wheel design.
: What about the other wheels ... for example turning an Archimedes-Screw instead of the stampers .. if you think about it this sort of load can also be pulsating if the water is moved in chambers up and empties *flush* by *flush*
: Pulsed load, I can really see it in front of my eyes, Georg could you borrow me your workshop, have some ideas to try out? *laugh*. So guys, dont forget the outside of the wheel *grin*, seems not everything was hidden inside.
: Other thing ... the speed of the wheels are mentioned several times, as far as I remember the Merseburg wheel with the stampers was supposed to run about 50rev/minute .. slow as some say. Fast I say ... think about it, 4 paddles going through the shaft, ends sticking out evenly, 45 degrees to each other. Each one hits one stamper 2 times/revolution, so 8 hits/revolution overall. With the wheel turning at 50rev/min that ends up with a hit onto the shaft( against the stamps, ok) every 0.15seconds, each stamp gets hit every 0.6seconds. There must have been a hell of a noise, more like a machine gun. Can't find that mentioned anywhere, just that they could here the stamps working *wump wump wump* instead of *ratatatata* ???? WAS THE SHAFT GEARED DOWN IN RELATION TO THE WHEEL ??? Does anyone have some information on this???
: Ok, enough with my unsorted thoughts, I'll spare you the rest of them .. for now (yep, they jump back and forth between all the information I can get like this, sorry if it looks confusing)
: Have Fun,
: Rainer
Hi Rainer,
JC is rigth with his opinion. The big wheel has a constant speed.
We have tried to build the solution Evert described. The solution
is to difficult. I have just filed my patent for the easy solution.
If you understand german (i Hope), maybe you can translate the solution
for the rest of the group to english. I hope the provider will pass
the deep link to me this week.
regards Georg