Re: MT138

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Posted by ali (62.145.60.175) on September 21, 2003 at 22:51:37:

In Reply to: Re: MT138 posted by Georg Künstler on June 28, 2003 at 00:25:17:

: : Hi Georg,

: : What you refer to as 'weights' are in fact black dots depicted with white centres. Bessler used black dots with white centres to show pivot or hinge points, not weights.

: : Your theory about Bessler's wheel is certainly fascinating and it would be great to see you prove it out with a working model. How's your construction going?

: : Regards, ovyyus

: :
: : : : Hi All,

: : : : On Bessler's so called 'toys page', (MT138 at http://www.orffyre.com/mt121-143.html) there are 5 illustrations labeled A to E.

: : : : E is obvious, so too is C & D. But A & B remain a little more mysterious. I've heard A & B referred to as a 'Jacobs Ladder', but I have my doubts about this because the depicted hinge points are not how a Jacobs Ladder works (a Jacobs Ladder typically uses fabric straps fixed around the segments) .

: : : : If A & B are front and side elevations of the same device or toy, then what is that Bessler trying to illustrate here? Any suggestions?

: : : : Regards, ovyyus

: : : Hi ovyyus,
: : : My oppinion is that in the middle of the beams are weights.
: : : This means, that as in my 'Drehmomentspeicher' excenterweights exist, which are
: : : accelerated, breaked on the wrong side. With this technic you are archiving the increasing resonace.
: : : You have a swinging system with increasing resonance.
: : : Again, the physic/mathematical solution is described in the book Physic for Ingenieure page 289/290.
: : : The ISBN is 3-519-26508-7. All working models of Bessler uses this principle. This
: : : is the principle Besslers stated.
: : : The way for free energy is free now.

: : : Best regards

: : : Georg Künstler

: Hi Ovyyus,
: construction is going very well, but because i am making the parts myself, it takes a while with my limited tools to complete it.
: I am trying to make in my construction as many as possible parameters variable. So I have build the big wheel with 53 cm in diameter now.
: the inner mechanism is varialbe in diameter, weights are variable, and now i am constuction a mechanism to make the springs also variable.
: With the help of the formulars in the physic book i can calculate all dimensions correct, but i can't buy a spring with a specific springconstant.
: Therefore, for my model i must do a calculation backwards. I must buy springs which are nearby at that point what I need, and then calculate the corresponding weights. This type of working is very timeconsuming. but be sure, the model is correct, and will be completed as soon as possible.

: Best regards

: Georg Künstler
:

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Comments:	: : : Hi Georg, : : : What you refer to as 'weights' are in fact black dots depicted with white centres. Bessler used black dots with white centres to show pivot or hinge points, not weights. : : : Your theory about Bessler's wheel is certainly fascinating and it would be great to see you prove it out with a working model. How's your construction going? : : : Regards, ovyyus : : : : : : : : Hi All, : : : : : On Bessler's so called 'toys page', (MT138 at http://www.orffyre.com/mt121-143.html) there are 5 illustrations labeled A to E. : : : : : E is obvious, so too is C & D. But A & B remain a little more mysterious. I've heard A & B referred to as a 'Jacobs Ladder', but I have my doubts about this because the depicted hinge points are not how a Jacobs Ladder works (a Jacobs Ladder typically uses fabric straps fixed around the segments) . : : : : : If A & B are front and side elevations of the same device or toy, then what is that Bessler trying to illustrate here? Any suggestions? : : : : : Regards, ovyyus : : : : Hi ovyyus, : : : : My oppinion is that in the middle of the beams are weights. : : : : This means, that as in my 'Drehmomentspeicher' excenterweights exist, which are : : : : accelerated, breaked on the wrong side. With this technic you are archiving the increasing resonace. : : : : You have a swinging system with increasing resonance. : : : : Again, the physic/mathematical solution is described in the book Physic for Ingenieure page 289/290. : : : : The ISBN is 3-519-26508-7. All working models of Bessler uses this principle. This : : : : is the principle Besslers stated. : : : : The way for free energy is free now. : : : : Best regards : : : : Georg Künstler : : Hi Ovyyus, : : construction is going very well, but because i am making the parts myself, it takes a while with my limited tools to complete it. : : I am trying to make in my construction as many as possible parameters variable. So I have build the big wheel with 53 cm in diameter now. : : the inner mechanism is varialbe in diameter, weights are variable, and now i am constuction a mechanism to make the springs also variable. : : With the help of the formulars in the physic book i can calculate all dimensions correct, but i can't buy a spring with a specific springconstant. : : Therefore, for my model i must do a calculation backwards. I must buy springs which are nearby at that point what I need, and then calculate the corresponding weights. This type of working is very timeconsuming. but be sure, the model is correct, and will be completed as soon as possible. : : Best regards : : Georg Künstler : :
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