Posted by Jonathan (68.14.212.239) on September 24, 2003 at 23:32:27:
In Reply to: Why I Don't Believe In a Free Energy Suppression Conspiracy posted by Michael on September 24, 2003 at 17:14:47:
I agree that it is very very unlikely, but consisder what would have if free energy were rampant: Everyone would become almost self sufficient, and people in high places will suddenly find themselves equal to everyone else.
I disagree that current physics theories hold very well, they're pretty good, but you don't know what you're missing until you find it in this case. Also, the holes in the theories are quite hard to spot, they are very suddle. (Except of course, classical electrodynamics, which is in and of itself is a hole). Further, his arguments against the gov keeping big secrets and non suppression of science are the same and flawed. Just because they let the cat out of the bag a few times doesn't mean there aren't innumerable still-cooped cats that by definition we haven't heard of.
I figure it's best to assume that there is a massive conspiracy, take the necessary precautions, and continue work.
: Personally I don't either, but this isn't mine, I actually pulled the title and content from a different site. Anyone here agree with any of these points?
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: Why I Don't Believe In a Free Energy Suppression Conspiracy
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: Several reasons, actually. Here they are:
: * You can't suppress science. We tried with nuclear
: weapons, but that was doomed to fail because the Nazis
: and Russians were already working on the same thing.
: It would be the same with "free energy" research: If
: it was real, some scientist somewhere in the world
: would find it and another scientist, somewhere else,
: would verify it. There are too many people looking for
: this, in all parts of the world, where there is no
: policitcal apparatus tied in with "big oil" or the
: other usual suspects.
: In other words, if free energy was out there, somebody
: would already have found it and others would have
: confirmed it. It could never be suppressed everywhere
: for all time.
: Ambiguous, contradictory results wouldn't be an issue,
: either (ie, cold fusion). People would be building
: free energy exploiting machines on assembly lines if
: they physically could.
: * Governments aren't any good at keeping Big Lies
: secret. Nuclear weapons, mass murders, you name it and
: if its big enough it will leak. Free energy would be
: WAY big enough to give a lot of the thousands of
: individuals who must be "in the know" to squeal, at
: least somewhere in the world. So far all we've ever
: heard of is unverified allegations of saucers floating
: in hangars and that stuff. If it was real the actual
: plans, equations and theories ON THE VARIOUS AGENCIES'
: LETTERHEAD would have come out long ago. Not
: allegations, but math and physics. And not just in
: dribs and drabs, but entire volumes of material,
: enough for anyone to exploit.
: * Conventioal science that disallows "free energy" at
: all but the most trivial levels (e.g. Casimir effect
: exploits) works very well. If it didn't we would not
: have nuclear reactors, solid state electronics (or ANY
: electronics, for that matter, including vacuum tubes).
: All the models mesh very well and none of them allow
: for free energy. Ditto, of course, advanced physics
: with the trivial exceptions noted above.
: In other words, theories that we know work well
: disallow free energy, so that means free energy is not
: allowed. Naturally, that means no suppression
: conspiracy is needed.
: * Businesses supposedly part of the conspiracy really
: do spend money on improving energy efficiency. Auto
: makers do, as do engineers. If they were part of the
: conspiracy (and didn't the auto makers bury some of
: the miracle carburetors?), why bother? Would the
: stockholders stand for them wasting millions of
: dollars each year pretending to be doing research? I
: sincerely doubt that.
: Incentives to improve fuel economy and efficiency do
: exist, too. Various taxes are paid as penalties for
: excess energy