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George1 wrote:Hi everyone,
1) THEORY and PRACTICE! Two words! It is a SIMPLE OBVIOUS FACT that if a certain scientific THEORY is correct, then the related PRACTICE has to be also correct. And if you have any objections against this SIMPLE OBVIOUS FACT, then you have some mental problems for sure.
2) In overunity.com and in besslerwheel.com/forum we (our team) released ABSOLUTELY FREE two pieces of THEORETICAL research, whose titles are " IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1", respectively. For these two pieces of scientific THEORETICAL research is valid the statement in the previous item 1.
3) These two pieces of scientific THEORETICAL research (mentioned in the above item 2) unambiguously show (no serious and reasonable THEORETICAL objections within a period of two years in overunity.com and in besslerwheel.com/forum) that the law of conservation of energy and the law of coservation of linear momentum are not always correct. But there is nothing special, tragic and disturbing in this fact as any rule/law has its exceptions.
4) Our third piece of technology is a new electric technology which increases many times (at least twice as a minimum) the distance traveled by any standard electric vehicle on a single charge.
5) Our new electric technology has both THEORY and PRACTICE. In other words, we have a WORKING PROTOTYPE which perfectly confirms the correctness of the theoretical concept on which is based the principle of operation of our new electric technology. The latter is practically ready for production on a large industrial scale.
6) The secret of our new electric technology however is NOT FREE. It costs already 40,000,000 (forty) million dollars and this price will further rise if our first two pieces of THEORETICAL research (mentioned in the above item 2) do not win public recognition in the nearest future.
7) These 40,000,000 (forty) million dollars will be used mainly for charity and only a small part of this money will be used for some R&D work.
8) We (our team) are looking for buyers of the secret of our new electric technology (and of our next 7 (seven) inventions and technology innovations).
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The topic of this thread has nothing to do with the Bessler wheel. Why this is not moved to another category is incomprehensible to me. Either the forum operator has no more interest or he himself is involved in this obvious fraud.
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To eccentrically1.
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1) Your answer 1 is: "Zero joules of heat per second is absorbed by the electrolyte from the environment."
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2) My question 1 is: "......how many Joules of heat per second (J/s) does the electrolyte absorb from the external environment?"
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Ok, let us try another approach.
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1A) A = (I) x (I) x (R) x (t),
where
A = Joule's heat, which is generated by the electrolyte while standard DC water-splitting electrolysis takes place
I = direct current, which flows through the electrolyte while standard DC water-splitting electrolysis takes place
R = Ohmic resistance of the electrolyte
t = time period, within which standard DC water-splitting electrolysis takes place
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1B) In one word, the above equality/formula shows clearly how A depends on I, R and t.
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2A) B = ?,
where
B = heat, which the electrolyte absorbs from the external environment while standard DC water-splitting electrolysis takes place
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2B) In one word, B =?, that is, where is the equality/formula, which clearly shows how B depends on I, R and t? WRITE DOWN THIS EQUALITY/FORMULA! IS THERE SUCH A FORMULA?
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Looking forward to your answer for the 8th time. (AND READ CAREFULLY MY POSTS AND DO NOT DISTORT MY WORDS!)
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The formula for the heat the electrolyte absorbs from the environment using your new approach is
B = 0
The electrolyte solution is warmer than it’s environment ( assuming this experiment is done at room temperature ,70 degrees). So A ( the heat generated by the electrolyte solution) is greater than the temperature of the environment. Since heat moves from hot to cold per the thermodynamic law, A > B, and B must equal zero.
The efficiency of your heater must be less than 1, because the lost heat is irreversible. You can’t convert it back to electricity to recharge the system battery.
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ovaron wrote:The topic of this thread has nothing to do with the Bessler wheel. Why this is not moved to another category is incomprehensible to me. Either the forum operator has no more interest or he himself is involved in this obvious fraud.
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George1 wrote:Hi everyone,
1) "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1" up-to-now discussions unambiguously show that the law of conservation of energy and the law of conservation of linear momentum are not always correct. But there is nothing special, tragic and disturbing in this fact as any rule/law has its exceptions. That's all.
2) We are selling our next 8 (eight) inventions. As a first step we are selling a new electric technology, which increases many times (at least twice as a minimum) the distance traveled by any standard electric vehicle on a single charge. Actually we are selling a WORKING PROTOTYPE together with a full description of its principle of operation.
3) Our new electric technology can be successfully used in any battery-based electric device. For example if our new electric technology is used in an ordinary standard electric torch, then its working hours would be increased many times (at least twice as a minimum) preserving at the same time its standard rated intensity of light. So the electric torch industry could realize a good financial jump by using our new electric technology. (Please note that in many emergency cases the duration and the intensity of an electric torch light are of vital importance for saving of human lives for example.)
4) We have some ideas for how to sell our new electric technology. We are negotiating now with some big companies. At the same time however we are open for collaboration. If some member of this forum suggests a smart method of selling of our new electric technology and/or takes part in the selling process, then he/she would firstly earn good money and secondly, he/she would indirectly contribute to our charity causes.
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PeterAx
Looking forward to your answer for the 8th time.
Is there a Last And Final time...? ;-)

Your formula lacks the ( x 0.87 ) value of electrolysis efficiency. Not including this gives you false results. Even Dr. Prohymenoptra (whose formula you have bastardized) knows this. Why you persist in being wrong must be due to pride. Or a slothful disposition...
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1A) A = (I) x (I) x (R) x (t),
No. an incorrect assumption. This is the false foundation of your entire argument.
2A) B = ?,
where
B = heat, which the electrolyte absorbs from the external environment while standard DC water-splitting electrolysis takes place
Once again, even though you pretend to have a superior knowledge than anyone here: The reaction uses heat from its environment. The reaction takes place in the electrolyte. Heat is removed from the electrolyte to create Hydrogen and Oxygen. Then, depending on the temperature difference, volume, surface area and surrounding materials and their temperature the electrolyte will absorb heat from its surrounding if it is cooler, which depends on the efficiency of the reaction.

From one site I read: At 25 degrees C, for every 4.8 joules of electricity used, 1J of heat is required.
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To eccentrically1.
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1) You wrote:"The formula for the heat the electrolyte absorbs from the environment using your new approach is B = 0. The electrolyte solution is warmer than it’s environment."
2) I perfectly agree with you, dear colleague! But there is no way to convince Tarsier79, MrTim and the other "experts" to accept the validity of this simple fact! I deliberately ask them to write down a formula, which describes mathematically the hypothetical heat B, which the electrolyte absorbs from the external environment thus working like a refrigerator. As you can see the "experts" still haven't written down such a formula. Because there is not such a formula and there is not such an endothermic effect.
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Equality A = (I) x (I) x (R) x (t) is an incorrect assumption?! Congratulations! You have just smashed to smithereens one of the basic axioms of electric engineering! You are an initiator of a new shocking scientific revolution! You are the next Nobel prize winner! You didn't take your medicine this morning! Take it immediately!:)
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Power can be derived in 2 dimensional or 3 dimensional terms. Power over time adds a
dimension.

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No mater how you term the scalar, you're still a fraud trying to sell a couple of sheets of paper for millions.

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You are also a good candidate for a Nobel prize!:) Together with Tarsier79!:)
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