Posted by Lurker (204.22.47.93) on June 03, 2003 at 11:28:41:
In Reply to: Re: Question for John Collins posted by ovyyus on June 02, 2003 at 23:32:49:
Well, let me describe what I believe this way:
I believe that one of two things are true:
1) Free energy and perpatual motion is NOT possible, including Bessler's wheel. Anyone who claims otherwise is deluded or a fraud. This would include Darren and all the other people who thought they had "the answer".
2) Free energy and perpetual motion IS possible, but it is being prevented from becoming public by a variety of means. When I say "public", I mean available to the general public for use, not just by a select few who are "in the know".
Now, in addition to this, even if option 2 is true, it remains true that the majority of people who claim to have "the answer" are STILL self-deluded or frauds. The people who are "in the know", and who are suppressing public availability of free energy, would be quite happy to have all of the self-deluded people and fraudsters around. They are a good way of promoting the idea that free energy is impossible, and that EVERYONE who thinks otherwise is deluded. Think of it as a sort of disinformation campaign to throw everyone off the trail of true discovery.
Let me repeat, I have NOT decided which of these options to believe yet. I have never seen a working free-energy machine. I have studied them a lot, but I am certainly not an expert. I put FAR more credence in people who actually have a working machine with pictures, diagrams, mathematical calculations, theories, etc. People who have vacuous claims but nothing more, I reamain far more sceptical, of course. Darren falls in this catagory. He makes a lot of claims, but that is all they are until he provides something more substantial. Vacuous claims in the absence of other substantiating material do not inspire any sort of belief for me or for most other people.
Lurker
: If you rely so heavily on belief as a determining factor in whether something is true or not then what problem do you have with Darren's claim? Just a feeling, perhaps?
: How can you, on the one hand, believe in so many instances of free energy successes and, on the other hand, tell Darren you doubt he will succeed? I don't get. Doesn't make sense. It's a wind-up, right?
: Regards, ovyyus